Initial activities in the civil rights movement
Lewis discusses his initial involvement in the civil rights movement. Lewis explains that he first became aware of the movement and the principles of nonviolent protest in 1957 when he became a seminary student at the American Baptist Theological Seminary in Nashville, Tennessee. By 1960, Lewis was an active participant in the movement and he describes his role in the sit-in movement as it unfolded in Nashville that year, paying particular attention to how violence against protesters and the arrests of protesters served to solidify and mobilize the black community.
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Oral History Interview with John Lewis, November 20, 1973. Interview A-0073. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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John Lewis played a very essential role in all of this, and I really just
wanted to talk about this whole change and what are some of your
experiences and what you have seen, what you feel is significant in what
has come about. How did you actually begin, what was your first
involvement in what is referred to as the Movement?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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I grew up in rural Alabama on a farm in Pike County about forty or fifty
miles from Montgomery in a strictly segregated world. You had the white
world and the black world. Segregated school bus
. In '57 I went to Nashville to attend the American Baptist
Theological Seminary to study, with my great desire to come to Atlanta
to study at Moorehouse but my parents couldn't afford it. I could go to
the Seminary and work and so I enrolled in it. The first year I tried to
organize a local chapter of N.A.A.C.P.. But the American Baptist
Seminary is jointly owned and supported by the Southern Baptist
Convention and they didn't like Nashville Baptist and
the faculty particularly. The president of the school had some real
questions about trying to organize a local chapter of the N.A.A.C.P. on
the campus. During the school year of '58 and '59 I started attending
some non-violent workshops conducted by James Lawson who was then a
student at Vanderbilt Divinity School. That went on during the second
year, through '59 and '60, and these workshops dealt with the question
of philosophy, the discipline of non-violent, the whole history of the
struggle in India led by Ghandi and his attempt to organize in South
Africa-building it on the whole idea of Christian faith and
that type of thing. Late November 1959, we had what we xconsidered test
sit-ins in large department stores in downtown Nashville. We had a group
of black and white exchange students, African students, students from
India who went down and tested the restaurants and lunch counters. When
they denied us service we left.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Was this before Greensboro?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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It was before the Greensboro sit-in of 1960. We came back after the
Christmas holidays and continued to have the workshops. Right after
February first second or third we received a telephone call from
students in North Carolina saying what can you do to
support the students in Greensboro. It was not until February seventh
that we had the first mass sit-in in Nashville. That was really the
beginning of my involvement.
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What happened when you sat in?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Well, the first time we took a seat at a lunch counter and we were denied
service, they said we don't serve you; you can't be served. It was a
great feeling; it was my first real act of protesting against this
system of segregation. I sort of had this feeeling for some time that
you just wanted to strike a blow for freedom and this was a great sense
of pride to be able to sit dow and at the same time become part of an
organized effort. We continued the sit-in efforts. We had what we called
Tuesdays and Thursdays. We didn't have any
classes on those days and we continued to go down to the lunch counters
and restaurants to sit-in.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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What would happen when you were denied?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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We would continue to sit and some days we would stay all day and take
turns. A shift of students would stay there until they were forced to
close the lunch counters completely. Or we would occupy all of the
seats. In some instances, stores like Woolworth's
and Kress', McCleland's would just close the stores. And that continued
for a period of time. We had mass meetings going on in the larger
communities.
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Were there any arrests?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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No. The first arrest in Nashville didn't occur until February 27. This
was a day when we had been warned by a local white minister, Will
Campbell, who had told us he had word from a reliable source that we
would be arrested and that there would be some form of violence. A small
group of us, on that day-it was a cold day in Nashville, we
even had snow-on that particular day, went down and started
sitting in at Woolworth's and later during the day there was some
violence on the part of a young white teen-ager who pulled students off
the seats or put lighted cigarettes down their backs, that type of
thing. We continued to sit.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Was any of that done to you?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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I was hit, but never a lighted cigarette or anything like that.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Was it painful?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Oh yes. We refused to strike back. The night before we had prepared some
leaflets and I had written the leaflets myself. A series of do's and
don't's that we prepared for the students. We got
paper from the American Baptist Seminary and one of the secretary's
there ran them off on the mimeograph machine. Each of the students had a
leaflet saying what to do and what not to do. As a matter of fact,
Senator Javis has a little book and he used these do's and dont's in his
book that we had prepared for that particular demonstration. Most of the
people that went to jail that day had those leaflets on them. In
Nashville, Tennessee on that following Sunday-I guess, that
was the twenty-eighth-they reprinted the leaflet. But that was
my first arrest, after the violence occurred on February 27th.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Was that the first violent episode?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Yes, that was the first violence.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Do you remember how you felt then, both about the violence and the
arrest?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Well, I think studying and attending the non-violence workshops we had
been disciplined to understand, to be willing to adjust to the violence,
the pain and the hurt. At the same time we didn't concentrate on what
happened to us. But we were there for a purpose and the arrest. It just
sort of inspired us. I didn't have any bad feelings about it. I didn't
necessarily want to go to jail. But we knew, in a sense, using that
particular method really as a tactic at that point
that it would help solidify the student community and the black
community as a whole. The student community did rally. The people heard
that we had been arrested and before the end of the day, five hundred
students made it into the downtown area to occupy other stores and
restaurants. At the end of the day ninety-eight of us were in jail.
There were mass meetings all over the city that Sunday. We fused to come
out of jail. We didn't want anyone to go our bond. But early Sunday
morning, the colleges and universities there had put up the necessary
bail money and we were let go.
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How do you see it now, thirteen years later? Do you feel the same way
about it.
- JOHN LEWIS:
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I feel that what we did was necessary. It helped to start something. And
if I had to do it all over again, I would. To me, it gave the feeling of
being part of a crusade, sort of a movement. It was just not another
angle. It was part of a process and after that particular demonstration,
there was a series of other demonstrations in Nashville. There were
other arrests, other acts of violence, particularly during the month of
March and April. We had a bombing. One of the attornies
that had been defending us, I think it was April 19th, 1960, about
six o'clock in the morning, the home of Z. Alexander Looby
that was one of the attornies for the Legal
Defense Fund, who taught part-time at Fisk, his home was bombed. He
lived across the street from Meharry Medical College and the bomb impact
broke the windows of the school. About seven o'clock we had a meeting
with this group of students called the Central Committee of the
Nashville Student Movement, which represented students from Fisk,
American Baptist, Tennessee State, Peabody, Vanderbilt., We all met and
decided that we would have a mass march on City Hall in response the the
bombing of attorney home. We sent the Mayor a
telegram saying to him to meet us on the steps of the City Hall by noon.
By noon we had more than five thousand students and community people
marching on City Hall and the mayor came and spoke. It was at that point
that the mayor of Nashville made that he thought
that the merchants should agree to desegregate downtown Nashville. That
was the turning point. In early May, the lunch counters and restaurants
in question did desegregate. It was period of negotiation and we had a
period where we didn't demonstrate at these particular restaurants.