Thoughts on Martin Luther King Jr. as a leader of the civil rights movement
Lewis speaks about the leadership of Martin Luther King Jr., both to the movement and on a personal level. Lewis explains how he would listen to King's radio sermons during the Montgomery bus boycott in 1955. At the time, Lewis was only fifteen and argues that King's ideas were particularly formative for him. Later, while a seminary student in Nashville, Lewis met King and subsequently worked closely with him in various civil rights activities. In addition, Lewis speaks more broadly about King's role as a leader of the movement, stressing the importance of King's religious affiliations to his success in appealing to African Americans and drawing support for the movement nationally.
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Oral History Interview with John Lewis, November 20, 1973. Interview A-0073. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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How do you assess the role of Martin Luther King-both his
effect on you and on the South as a whole, not blacks particularly?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Martin Luther King had a tremendous impact on my life, without question.
Growing up in rural Alabama in Pike County-it was fifty miles
from Montgomery-during the bus boycott, you had to listen to
the man.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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How old were you at the time of the bus boycott?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Fifteen years old, so I heard him. I heard him some Sunday mornings. It
was a local radio station in Montgomery; that station was WRMA, a black
sort of soul station. 11 o'clock on Sunday mornings they would have
different ministers to preach. The church we attended in rural Pike
County, you didn't go to until around one-thirty or two but you could
hear certain ministers from his church-the Dexter Avenue
Church. One sermon that I recall him preaching was Paul's letter to
American Christians. He made the whole question
of religion very valuable. In most of his sermons he injected the whole
element of the struggle and the condition of black people. In the sermon
he compared the children of Israel with the struggle of blacks. And all
of that had some impact.
I met Dr. King for the first time in 1958. I tried to enter Troy State
College in '58, after spending one year in Nashville at the American
Baptist Seminary, and I had a meetin with Dr. King
and Fred Gray and it was an attorney in the
Alabama State House and he encouraged me. I got the necessary
application and I tried to go there but the school officials ignored the
application all together and my parents were literally afraid to file
any type of action. I was too young to file a suit against the State
Board of Education. Later I saw him on many occasions in Nashville while
I was in school between 1958 and '61. In a sense, he was my leader. He
was a person that I thought was fighting and standing up and just doing
those necessary things in the '50's and early '60's. The whole idea of
non-violence, to understand the philosophy of and the discipline of
non-violence, to use it more than just as a tactic or as a technique but
as a philosophy, as a way of life-that was in keeping with
what I had been taught, in keeping with the Christian faith. So it was
not something that was strange and foreign to me, so I readily accepted
that.
I think the average black per son in the South . . . it was not hard for
black people in the South to identify with Martin Luther King. The guy
was well-trained, well educated, all of that. And in spite of his
education black people in the South, the masses of black people whether
it was in the large urban centers or small towns or rural
communities, saw Martin Luther King as one of them. He was
a black Baptist preacher and they identified with him. The fact that he
was a minister was a real asset. I doubt, if Martin Luther King had been
a lawyer, a doctor, whether he would have had the same impact but the
fact that he could go into a Baptist church in Montgomery and put the
struggle of what he would call freedom and liberation in religious
terms, when he could say things like I'm not concerned about the streets
that are paved with gold and Pearly Gates, I'm concerned about the
streets of Montgomery and the gates of City Hall, or something like
that-the people could identify with that. He had a way of sort
of capturing the imagination of the masses of black people. You know
when you travel in the South today, people are
affected. They are influenced by what Martin Luther King said and
did-not just the old, old blacks but the young blacks that
remember Martin Luther King. I make it a habit when I go back to Selma,
at least I used to, and see some of the young people, the people that
were very young-five, six, seven in 1965-to try
to find out whether they remember Dr. King. And
some of them do and some of them say they read about him. I just thing
that his leadership during the period from 1955 to 1968 had a
tremendous influence on
this part of the country, even when the one
South as a whole will understand and will come to really appreciate
Martin Luther King.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Joh, it is more important that the South than the rest of the country,
this is, because of the role of the organized black church
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Yes.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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You do agree that the black church remains the major
source of institutional strength in the black
community?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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I would say so.
- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
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Even in urban . . . . ?
- JOHN LEWIS:
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Even in a city like Atlanta. The church is a highly visible institution
and it's a great source of power. The ministers of those churches may
not be able to produce or deliver the vote, and they cannot. It's the
leading ministers in the city, whether it's Rev.
Martin Luther King, Sr. or people like Rev. William Holmes Borders,
pastor of one of the large Baptist churches here. They cannot deliver
the black vote; there's no question about that. But the church as a
body, the church as an institution, as an organized effort is a source
of great power, great strength.