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FERREL GUILLORY:

But the Democrats (just let me finish this) on the other side of course don't know how to act as the party out of power. Though they sort of share it in a way. They are caucuses in the General Assembly, they have what you call caucuses now. People keep telling me, don't worry about them. I said yeah, but, if they get themselves together they would be a powerful force. They kept saying look there are secret meetings and all of that you had a blast by going into the caucuses. I said no you don't, that's how they put themselves together. That's a way to do it. But they haven't got it, they go in there and they talk for hours and they don't pull it together. Do you know what came out the caucus one time last year? To hold open meetings of committees and then they went out on the floor the next day and and it passed and it went over to the Senate and it died. But they don't use the caucuses as a way to get themselves together to talk to each other to find out what each other can support and all that. They just chat and that's about it. They don't seem to understand, you know, that they've got a responsibility there of getting themselves together and being a party force. I. . . .

JACK BASS:

My question. . . .

WALTER DE VRIES:

Do you think they ever will.

FERREL GUILLORY:

Not with the leaders they've got now.