Editorializing Hitler's rise to power
Dabney describes his early knowledge of Adolf Hitler's rise to power in Germany. While in Germany on a fellowship, Dabney studied the political changes occurring in order to write editorials.
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Oral History Interview with Virginius Dabney, June 10-13, 1975. Interview A-0311-1. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- DANIEL JORDAN:
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I believe that we've covered the major topics and unless there are some
other afterthoughts, we are going to get all of this on transcripts
later, so this might be a good place to stop.
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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I'm trying to think if there's something else.
- DANIEL JORDAN:
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I have a question about another point. I understand that there was sort
of a literary circle in Richmond in the '20s with Ellen Glasgow and
James Branch Cabell and the Reviewer. Were you
involved in any of that or impressed by any of it or influenced in any
way by it.
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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I was a novice at that time. The Reviewer was started
at just about the time that I went on the paper. I read it and I knew
Miss Glasgow and Mr. Cabell and was entertained by both of them from
time to time in their homes, but I didn't know either of them well. They
were both very nice to me and very helpful. The New York
Herald Tribune asked Cabell to write an article for their
magazine about Miss Glasgow, and he asked me to do it, which I did. She
read my Liberalism in the South and gave me a very
nice quote on it for advertising. She had a party for Gertrude Stein,
and my wife and I attended. I have a unique autograph of Gertrude which
you might like to see. It's on the Autobiography of Alice
B. Toklas, which of course, was actually by Gertrude Stein. I
met both of them at Miss Glasgow's and took the book over to the
Jefferson Hotel, and she autographed it in typical Steinesque style.
Notice that she says, "Mrs. and Mr. Virginius Dabney."
(laughter)
- DANIEL JORDAN:
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Will you read that into the tape. I keep forgetting that
we've got to keep the machine in mind.
- WILLIAM H. TURPIN:
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This is what time period, Mr. Dabney?
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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1935, approximately. Alice B. Toklas and Gertrude Stein were here and
Ellen Glasgow had this party and I got her autograph on the
Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas and the autograph says,
"To Mrs. and Mr. Virginius Dabney in memory of a pleasant
meeting, in memory of a pleasant Richmond
Times-Dispatch, in memory of a charming Virginia, and in memory of
a charming visit to Virginia. Gertrude Stein, Alice Toklas."
One other thing that you might want me to mention was the six months
that I spent in Europe; I was a reporter when I went over.
- DANIEL JORDAN:
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This is 1934?
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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1934, on a fellowship from one of these German foundations. It has two
different names . . .
- DANIEL JORDAN:
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I believe that it's the Oberlaender Trust. I can't pronounce the German,
though.
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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Carl Schurz Memorial Foundation and there was another name, the name of
the man . . . Gustaf Oberlaender who founded the Oberlaender Trust. This
was a fellowship to the German-speaking countries for six months. They
didn't want me to get into the Hitler propaganda swirl, so they didn't
say what I was coming over there for, which was actually to study the
Nazis. They announced that I was coming over to "study
periodical literature," which was complete nonsense. I went to
the Berlin library once and looked at a magazine and that was my study
of periodical literature. They didn't expect me actually to study that
subject.
[END OF TAPE 2, SIDE A]
[TAPE 2, SIDE B]
[START OF TAPE 2, SIDE B]
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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They allowed me to go to Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Paris in addition to
pretty much every part of Germany. So, it was a wonderful six months and
my wife and 4-year-old daughter were with me. It was enormously helpful
to me in my subsequent journalistic work, particularly with the Nazi
issue, which was becoming more and more acute. When I got there, Hitler
had been in office one year, the Blood Purge occurred while I was there,
as well as the assassination of Chancellor Dolfuss of Austria. When I
got back, I was all steamed up to write about Hitler, and I was just as
sure as anyone could be that he was getting ready to start a European
war. People in '34 and '35 were saying, "It isn't going to
happen." A lot of them were fooled, and said "He is
just trying to rebuild Germany; and he is going to be satisfied with
Danzig and the Sudentenland" etc. I never had any idea that he
would be. I wrote a series of editorials at the time of the Austrian
Anchluss and the seizure of Czechoslovakia that caused a lot of comment,
not only here but in other parts of the country. I think that it was
probably the best series of editorials that I ever wrote on
anything.
- WILLIAM H. TURPIN:
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There were a number of newspaper editorialists in this country who took
the other side and were sympathetic to Hitler during this time. I
presume that you were not sympathetic to the Nazis.
- VIRGINIUS DABNEY:
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I should say not. True, we didn't see much overt persecution of the Jews
in '34. What the Nazis were doing then was smashing store windows of
Jews. We didn't see that, but it had happened before we got there. Some
of the Jews were wearing the Star of David by compulsion and we saw only
one sign the whole time that we were there that was blatantly
anti-Semitic. It said, "Jews not wanted. City Council of
Dinkelsbuehl." That is a little town near
Nuremberg—a most charming place except for that sign.
(tape turned off. End of first session of interview.)