Tensions between local and state politics
Evans discusses the reputation of Charlotte, North Carolina, in state politics, arguing that Charlotte had been caricatured as "the big, fat, rich cat of the state." After briefly reflecting on how these tensions related to issues of taxation, Evans discusses specifically how various efforts of Charlotte to get a medical school in conjunction with their branch of the University of North Carolina was wrapped up in more complicated local and state political tensions.
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Oral History Interview with Martha W. Evans, June 26, 1974. Interview A-0318. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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So I want to get to that also, because I want to get to some
mention of the medical school situation. Seems like Charlotte has
had… there are a lot of people, at least in that part of the
state, who look upon Charlotte with something with something less than
great favor….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Ha! They treat Mecklenburg County as the big, fat, rich cat of the state.
And they resent it. And I understand it and have to play around it. When
I want something passed by the people from that part of the state.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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O.K., let me ask you this, the argument is sometimes made that maybe
Charlotte really isn't handling its own, you know, really
doing its own work at home.
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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No, but they take our money. They want all our money and nothing in
return. They don't want to give us anything in return. We pay
more taxes than any other county in the state.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Which to some extent then, brings us through to the medical school
question. For a second let's not get into the East Carolina
question, but why… I realize that Memorial Hospital is very
definitely affiliated with the University Hospital at Chapel Hill, there
have been attempts, on occassion anyway, to get a med school or medical
center here at Charlotte….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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No, there has not. We have never asked for a medical school in connection
with the University, because we have never been in a position where we
thought we were strong enough and big enough to have it. I wish we had,
I wish we had.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Was there an attempt back in the forties and fifties when there was
discussion of extending the Chapel Hill from two to four to get the med
school here in Charlotte?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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I believe so.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Is there some ill will to some extent over the fact that Charlotte
didn't get it then?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Well, there's no ill will, it was the fact that we were not at
a University level, our colleges are first
rate colleges, contrary to some people's thinking.
Queen's is first rate for women, Davidson's for
men, but they are not state supported and we had no state supported
institution untill we got UNC-C in '65.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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And then there was, a bill came up, I guess in '63, to
establish a study commission to investigate the feasibility of another
med school, concentrating on Charlotte, but to investigate other areas
as well.
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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The whole state.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Was there imput, was there a great desire and organization in Charlotte
to seek this med school, to get out and fight for it and get it?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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No.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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How do you account for that?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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We were busy building up Memorial Hospital as a training center. And it
is.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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And it was not connected with….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Not connected with the University.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Not connected with getting a med school itself?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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We have never gone out wholeheartedly to get a med school. This portion
of the interview is closed until the year 2000 A.D. at the request of
Martha Evans.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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But they also got it because they organized and….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Yeah, Eastern Carolina people have one faculty that Mecklenburg and the
west doesn't have. East Carolina, the whole region, sends the
same person year after year to the legislature. They gain seniority and
support important chairmanships and with that, then they try to control
the vote, and they do. But we put up a delegation and the next year, you
may have more than half of it out of the way.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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If that is a political fact of life, why do Mecklenburg and the western
counties continue to do this?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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I wish that I knew the answer. The point here is that people that I have
been and have tried to encourage to run, are reluctant because they are
not willing to take the caustic criticism of the Knight publishing
company and of the media. Why should they do this when they can stay at
home and live at home and make a contribution to the community?
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Once they get down there and get involved and get their name in the
newspapers and get calls all hours of the day and night….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Yeah.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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One thing that I recall, we are almost to the time….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Well, I had set you up for tomorrow noon on my calendar.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Well, this is fine. I've gotten just about everything. As I
recall, Dr. Davis, from Kinston, during one of the discussions in, I
think, '63… because I think that a Dr. James
from….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Hamlet.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Was he the one that put in that bill to establish that commission, I
believe in '63? And she said, "If we put a med
school down in Charlotte, the people in South Carolina are going to be
the ones…." Is that, I mean, geographical location,
is that one thing that has hurt Charlotte in the state legislature?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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No, I think that it is a tremendous jealousy. It is basically greed and
jealousy on the part of East Carolina, its president, its staff as
opposed to Charlotte. He couldn't get far in Charlotte, and
he knows it.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Let me ask you another question along that same line….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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And what is he going to do with the med school? He hasn't got
any patients. This is where the concentration of population is. He
can't get patients or doctors
for….
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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This brings up the question, why hasn't, you know, if this is
where the patients are, why….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Why not put it here?
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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Right. So, why hasn't Charlotte fought to get it?
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Well, we are trying to build up the University to the point
where….
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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And then….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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And then do it. Because we got the University on the basis of local
support, local and financial support.
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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O.K., well, speaking of eastern Carolina as more or less a bloc, it seems
that Charlotte is hurt, to some extent, because…I mean,
there's Greensboro and Winston-Salem, and then
there's Asheville and it hasn't been able to
develop a region….
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Regional concept. We did have western Carolina breakfast meetings once a
week for awhile in one session, but they are much more independent here
than they are down there. Independent of each other. Because you see,
when you go back through the history of this thing, they took, lopped
off, and they gave the county here a big area, they cut themselves down,
but they gave other people….
- WILLIAM (BILL) MOYE:
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They split into a smaller county to keep a senator down there while
creating a senator. up here.
- MARTHA W. EVANS:
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Yes.