The 1947 "Two Governor Row" as described by Talmadge
Talmadge describes the "Two Governor Row" scandal of 1947. Following his father's unexpected death during his gubernatorial campaign in 1946, Talmadge became determined to take his father's place. The Georgia General Assembly selected Talmadge rather than opponent James Carmichael; however, outgoing governor, Ellis Arnall, refused to surrender his office because he believed the decision of the General Assembly to be unconstitutional. Talmadge recalls how his men virtually chased Arnall from the office before temporarily taking over and alludes to interpersonal dynamics within the Democratic Party in Georgia at that time.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with Herman Talmadge, July 15 and 24, 1975. Interview A-0331-1. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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Meanwhile, prior to the
November election, one of my friends who was a county school
supertindent in Jasper County . . . he's dead now, I afterwards made him
U.S. Marshal after I came to the Senate . . . called my attention to a
provision in the Georgia constitution at the time, you know originally,
the General Assembly elected all public officers and the same thing was
true in many other states. then gradually, that power was delegated to
the people. But there was an old provision that had come down from the
early constitution that in the event of a failure of election, the
General Assembly of Georgia would proceed to elect the governor of
Georgia from those then in line from the next highest number of votes.
So, I had some lawyers look into the doggoned thing and we decided that
if something happened to my daddy, that the General Assembly of Georgia
had to elect the governor . . .
- JACK NELSON:
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Do you recall the lawyers that you checked with?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Oh, Buck Murphy and Sam Hewlitt and W. S. Mann and a good
many others and I had studied the thing pretty carefully
myself. I reached that conclusion and we reached the conclusion that if
my father died before he was inaugurated in January, that the General
Assembly would have to elect the governor from among those then living
with the next highest number of votes, in the next general election in
November. So, I passed the word to about half a dozen Talmadge leaders
to get me . . . we knew that Carmichael was going to get some write-in
votes because he had opposed my daddy and a lot of people were bitter
about him being defeated. We figured that we had to have several hundred
write in votes for me.
- JACK NELSON:
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And that was because the legislature would have to elect from the people
who got votes?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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That's right, because that constitutional provision had been called to my
attention by a county school supertindent in Jasper County. So, I got
several hundred votes in Tellfair County and I think that I got a few
hundred in Worth County and a few hundred in Macon County and a
scattering number of other counties. And when we had that famous two
governor row, it finally wound up that Jimmy Carmichael had four or five
hundred write in votes and I had about a hundred more write in votes
than he had. So, that's when we had that famous Two Governor Row down
there in 1947, when the General Assembly elected me governor by a vote
of about two to one. The networks stayed on the air all night, I was
inaugurated about one thirty or two in the morning, made an
extemperaneous speech to the General Assembly of Georgia that was
broadcast all over the United States . . .
(laughter)
- JACK NELSON:
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Did you fully expect to remain as governor or . . .
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Yes, I thought that I would. In those days, I was pretty naive. I thought
that judges, regardless of their political inclinations, would uphold
the law as they saw it. I had been taught to respect the courts, I
had been trained as a lawyer. Then the General
Assembly sent the escort committee down there to see me, to take me to
the governor's office. We got to the governor's office and Governor
Arnall wouldn't surrender the office. Well, there were about ten
thousand people there around the capitol, about 90% of them my friends
and they were absolutely furious and if they could have gotten to
Governor Arnall, they would probably have physically harmed him. That
was shortly after World War II. The Georgia National Guard was loyal to
me, they had just returned from combat overseas. Then, they had the Home
Guard that Governor Arnall had set up in the absence of the National
Guard and the Home Guard was loyal and taking orders from Governor
Arnall.
- JACK NELSON:
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How many members were in the Home Guard?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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I don't remember now. But everyone was wondering when the National Guard
and the Home Guard were going to start shooting each other. In any
event, after Governor Arnall refused to surrender the office, I gave
orders to the National Guard to see that Governor Arnall was escorted
all the way to Newnan, Georgia and no harm befell him and then when they
did that, to come back to the capitol and change locks on the capitol
door, the governor's office. I would be in early the next moring and
take possession of the governor's office, which I did.
- JACK NELSON:
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I think that he showed up the next morning, didn't he?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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He showed up . . .
- JACK NELSON:
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It was Bill Benton wasn't it, that came to the door and . . .
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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I had been in the office, I guess, for about an hour and Governor Arnall
came in demanding his office. Benton said, "If you want to see
the governor, you will have to sit down and wait your turn like
everybody else."
(laughter)
- JACK NELSON:
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So, he didn't come in, then did he?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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No, he stormed out, took him a seat under the rotunda of the state
capitol and he stayed there for a day or two and finally one of my
friends in the state Senate, Jimmy Dykes, got one of those huge
firecrackers about six inches long and he got up on the floor above
Governor Arnall there and lit that firecracker and dropped it right
behind Governor Arnall's desk and it it went off, ca-whoom! I think that
Arnall thought that somebody was throwing a bomb at him or shooting him
or something.
(laughter)
So, he rushed out of the capitol as fast as he could and went up
to his law offices in the Candler Building and didn't come back to the
capitol anymore.