I don't think so. You, know I thought of this often, trying to pinpoint
when I really became aware of the fact that I wasn't acceptable
everywhere. [unknown] again, when I say, my mother was a
smart lady. I guess there were a whole lot of smart mothers, and
fathers, too. I really can't pinpoint when I knew there was a
distinction made, that I was being discriminated against. I had to be
quite aware up in my teens. Because, O.K., here how I lived: a little
street called, Tatenall, a trestle with a cross over the street with the
railroad going between Atlanta and Macon, central of Georgia. Very tall,
and Tatenall began with that trestle and came up the street about a good
half-block—maybe it would be a short block—to chestnut street. Then
Tatenall went up another block, and that was the end of Tatenall Street.
It ended up there in what they called Tatenall Square. And when you
passed the Square you were at Mercy University. Now this street,
Chestnut, went all the way up and all the way down.
Now, I lived, when I can first remember, in a little house here on
Tatenall. And then we moved to the corner house. So I lived all my life
on Tatenall. I had been on the corner of Tatenall and Chestnut. Up on
this corner of Tatenall and Chestnut, whites lived. Across the street my
school teacher, that I thoughtpassed every year, her family, the
Johnsons, they lived on this corner, and that corner, opposite them,
whites. Now up that block and all the way down this short block were
blacks. Now, on
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corner, whites; and on this side, where we lived, all the way up there
except one house, whites. I don't know whether that one in the center
was always ‘tenented’, I guess you would say, by blacks, I don't know.
But we had a fire, and when our house was being repaired, we moved up to
that little house. So that meant we lived in the middle of that block
until this house was repaired. Now, there were white families and white
children here, black families and black children. Now, all of the
children met out here and they played up and down that street, all but
we. Most of the children were boys, and my mother said that little girls
shouldn't play with little boys, so I didn't get to go out there and
play. But the little boys, white and black, they played. And the only
playmate I had in the neighborhood, that was near my age, was a little
boy that lived next door this way. His mother was a teacher at the
school where I was attending, and his father was a tailor. And we used
to could play together. She used to let me, because they were very
strict about who he could play with. So we became playmates to some
extent. But now, most whites there, would just as likely be over talking
to my mother, or my mother would be over there talking to them. I don't
mean they went in and sat down to visit, either way. But they'd sit on
the porch or meet out in the middle of the street and have conversation.
You never thought a thing about it. I didn't ever think about them as
white people, or black people. They was just people and "Hello, Mrs.
so-and-so; hello, Mrs. so-and-so", and you went your way. So I didn't
get it there.
Now, I go to the AMA school and you have black teachers and you have
white teachers, and we are right downtown, right straight through
downtown. Now, downtown, you get here and you go a block this way, and
there are a black tailor shop, two black drugstores, and an undertaking
establishment.
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There may have been other things. But interspaced in between there,
there was a big white bakery—I do remember that—and a black church right
over here. Then you go a block down here and here's the city hall, where
everybody goes for their concerts in the spring, blacks and whites. Then
you go one more block, I think it's a whole block, or a half-block or
something like that, and you're right at the biggest street, main street
in Macon, Cherry Street, where everything runs up and down there. So
now, you have got blacks and whites in between here. Now, I pointed one
church over here. Now you turn, what they call Cotton Avenue, and there
is the big Methodist Church, and on this side there is a big Baptist
Church, and then you go up the street and there's a street that runs
this way, whites live on there, and the street that runs this way, white
schools. Then, of course, you make a turn here and there's Ballard over
here, the Congregational Church in the same property. And on the hill,
across the street, is a dorm because in the earlier days AMA had a dorm
for kids who came in from the country and had to live in. So there was a
dorm there.
You see, you're all intertwined there. Now, we have black theatre. And
when I get to the point where I can go to the picture show, all I've
ever heard is the Douglas Theatre. And you are not like you are today.
You only got to go to the theatre once in a while. Your Mama didn't let
you go every week, or three times a week. You went once. And all you're
doing is looking forward to going to the theatre. So, I must have passed
white theatres and never even thought about them. I'm too busy getting
to the Douglas Theatre, you know. So, I don't realize that I can't go in
this theatre over here. `cause I'm going over here to this one. And
they're all white down there, near enough to each other that you don't
ever get out of
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until way late, something focuses. I know when I really learned that I
wasn't being treated properly
[laughter].
Well, all through that period, O.K., and this is interesting. I've been
intending to go back and try and find out, because there's something I
should know, and I don't know it. I didn't know I should know it until
recent years. The opera house in Macon is a historic building, and it
has some history that I wish I knew what's it's all about. But my father
took me to that opera house, everything that was worthwhile to see. I
saw Ben Hur there when I was a kid. Oh, yes. We got a lot of horses on
the stage. All sorts of things. I saw Black Patty. I don't know if you
ever heard of Black Patty. Great singer, there. All sorts of things. My
father took me because my mother would be sick this time, you know, to
go to something like that. And I went to the Jim Crow section and never
knew I was being Jim Crowed. They were smart people. Now, I always
thought I had to go up them steps and go to that top. `Cause the seats
up there were very nice and everything; it wasn't shabby when you got
up. It was the fact that you had to from here to here to here to here to
get there. As a kid, who thought anything about climbing steps?
Now, the next thing about it, when your father told you, you couldn't
afford, I thought it was a matter of money. The reason I was up there. I
had no idea that I couldn't go downstairs. I didn't
even question it. You didn't have radio, you didn't have T.V. So, you
didn't question many of the things your parents told you. And when my
mother said, "We're scraping up the money for you to go see so-and-so",
why, I thought I was getting the great treat of my life, and never
questioned anything about why I was going up all those steps to get
there.