Courtship, marriage, and family connections
Josephine and William Clement describe their whirlwind courtship and marriage in 1941. William Clement had been married before, as he describes earlier in the interview, and was widowed with a small child to raise. In 1941, he met Josephine Dobbs while working for North Carolina Mutual and they were married shortly thereafter. Here, as elsewhere in the interview, the Clements place a great deal of emphasis on the importance of family by describing her parents' reaction to and support of their union.
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Oral History Interview with William and Josephine Clement, June 19, 1986. Interview C-0031. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- WALTER WEARE:
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I wanted to get back to the Dobbs-Clement tradition here. I'd
like to hear more about this dramatic meeting between you two.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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Oh, let me tell that!
(Laughter)
Well, as Josephine said, my brother was the manager of the North
Carolina Mutual district in Savannah. C. C. Spaulding and Mr. Wheeler
and I were making this tour in the state of Georgia, in connection with
the thirtieth anniversary of North Carolina Mutual. So Arthur and his
wife said, "we have a young lady that we would like for you to
meet, and her name is Josephine Dobbs." She taught over at
Savannah State.
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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It was Georgia State then.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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So, what happened: Josephine was very much in love with another
gentleman. So, she had a very good friend who was detatched, and her
name was Dorothy Scott. Some good things come about meeting people at
the night club. So, we went to the night club that night and there was
Josephine and her friend, and then Dorothy and I. And so, I saw
Josephine and I looked at her and thought, gol-lee: I got to meet that
young lady. So Dorothy made the mistake of going to Havana, Cuba.
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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Yes, the University of Havana. She taught Spanish. We taught together at
Georgia State.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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She left that summer to go there. In the meantime, we did make a trip to
Atlanta, and Josephine took her friend Dorothy up there. Mr.
Dobbs - I was running around taking both of them
out, and he said, "By the way, Josephine, who is Bill coming to
see?" She said, "Dorothy."
Well, anyhow, Dorothy left, went to the University of Havana to study
that summer, and in the meantime, I had to go back to Savannah for a
meeting of the National Insurance Association, and we started going out
together. That was the beginning of it, and we started from that point
on. And I remember George Cox: he was there, and he was a very good
friend - I always looked up to him and he was
really my mentor - so one night, we were going
home, and I said to him, "Mr. Cox, you want me to drop you off
at my brother's?" (That's where he was
staying). I wasn't, I was driving up seven, eight miles, like
a thunderbolt. He said, "I'll ride on up there with
you." He's told that story over and
over again. Bill has told Josephine how smart he was, how
alert, and lo and behold, he made the dumbest decision.
(laughter)
Bill was trying to get a chance to really spend a little time with
Josephine, and there I was, "no, I'll ride on up
there with you." And we'd come back together.
But you know, our courtship - in the meantime, I had
to go back to Charleston, get Alexine. And bring her down, we had
weekends - I have a letter in my file that our
daughter wrote to Josephine when she was five. She wrote how much she
enjoyed the weekend, and so forth. And as I said, this was a three-way
situation.
Our courtship lasted six months. We were married within six months. And I
think Mr. and Mrs. Dobbs kind of pushed it along. What happened was,
when she finished summer school, I was in Atlanta, and we would ride and
court every night, and come back drive up in front of the house and sit
outside and talk. And I thought Mr. and Mrs. Dobbs were asleep. And so
the next morning, Josephine said, "you know, Mom and Dad were
awake."
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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I was a grown young lady, teaching, had a
career -
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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So finally, I think she kind of said, "Josephine, I had agreed
that we were going to get married, possibly at Christmas."
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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My mother said to me one day, "I really can't
understand where you and Mr. Clement find to go every night."
[laughter]
I said to Bill, "I think it's time for us to
say something."
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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We'd better say something. And so finally, I told Mr. Dobbs
I'd like to see him. (His office was right across the hall
from my office.) I was supposed to see him at three o'clock.
He had a way of going home and sleeping, and Josephine told him to be
sure to wake up at three o'clock. So finally he woke up and
came down there, and I went across the hall to start talking. I never
did get an opportunity to ask for her. He started talking right away; he
knew what I wanted to do, what I wanted to say, and everything, and all
he said was, "Bill, I want you to be good to Josephine, and if
you can't treat her right, always bring her back
home - see, I love Josephine." So finally,
we went home to dinner, and Mr. Dobbs made this announcement, and Mrs.
Dobbs didn't like it. Oh, gosh, you could tell.
She's a very fine person, a lovely
person -
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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She had been left out.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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She had been left out. And so she said, "Well, it seems as
though I should have something to say about things." And there
I was, now -
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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She didn't raise up often, but when she did, she made her
point.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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So finally - this is September
then - Josephine had to go back to Georgia State to
start teaching, and so I stayed next door to a friend, and so finally,
Mrs. Dobbs and I got together, and she would invite me over for
breakfast, and we became perfect friends, and she was a beautiful
person, and I'm telling you truly, I never met anyone
better.
- JOSEPHINE CLEMENT:
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She didn't know Bill that well then.
- WILLIAM CLEMENT:
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No. Mr. Dobbs knew me, by North Carolina Mutual, but she just
didn't know me. And she didn't know who this guy
was who after six months was going to come and take away her daughter
and didn't even ask for her.
[laughter]
But she finally lived with us ten years, and was a tremendous
gift.