Importance of leadership in the success of the Pearsall Plan
Rankin reiterates his position throughout the entire interview that strong political leadership was central to the success of the Pearsall Plan. He again stresses how the Pearsall group had a difficult task in front of them, in terms of the necessity of mediating being different groups such as the schools, segregationists, and those who supported integration. The manuscript to which he refers the "Transcript Session on the History of the Integration Situation in North Carolina, Saturday, September 2, 1960 in the Governor's Office at the State Capitol" and is referred to throughout the interview.
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Oral History Interview with Edward L. Rankin, August 20, 1987. Interview C-0044. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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EDWARD L. RANKIN, Jr.:
From the manuscript, here's a quote from Paul Johnston dealing
with an overview of the complex situation facing Governor Hodges and the
Pearsall Committee: "We were just discussing the whole basic
problem here, and I once outlined this thing for Tom Pearsall in a
little diagram, and it lends itself to a pencil drawing. But in words it
boils down to this. We found ourselves in a position of segregated
schools with a populace that was, at least for the most part, determined
to keep them segregated, and with a decision that was going to be
binding on all of us and insisted that they not be kept segregated. That
was our present position. We knew that any lawyer or right thinking
layman with decent legal advice and honest legal advice, as the Pearsall
committee members were getting, must conclude that eventually, not when
or how, but eventually, there's going to be some Negro
children in schools now exclusively white. That had to come about
because of the force of national public opinion, the effectiveness of
the decree. Now given those two things, of where we were and where we
knew we had to come out, the question that remained for us was how to
get from where we were to where we had to come out and not disgrace
ourselves. Of course, a very important factor in that, in order to do
so, this is the key of the leadership part, in order to do anything to
get from present status to future conclusions, you had to maintain
control." That's basically it.
Paul stated clearly the importance of positive leadership. Hodges and
Pearsall understood that, you see, somebody had to do something. The
governor says, "I accept responsibility. I'm working
with the Pearsall Committee. We are making these efforts." At
the same time, from all sides the bombshells were coming in, threats to
his political leadership. How do you maintain political control of a
tense situation where we are working toward a solution, and we hope to
find some solutions, and we'll do all these things? We are
telling the school people, we're going to save the schools.
We are telling the segregationists that you're never going to
have to integrate. We'll work it out. You're not
going to have to send your kids to school with blacks if you
don't want to. Yet at the same time, move constructively
toward the future where integration was inevitable. It's an
incredible set of circumstances. When you look back at it,
it's almost miraculous that it worked out as well as it did.
I think that's what makes it such an interesting episode in
North Carolina history. I would say to historians who have the advantage
of assembling all available facts and intrepretations, this should be a
very valuable document because it's factual. It's
what these five "insiders" wanted to leave for the
record, and their comments are based on their own personal knowledge. I
don't mean that all the facts are there. It's not
the whole story by any means but the manuscript, I think, reflects their
best recollection of what they were trying to do, and their great
gratitude at the end that it did work out to the
benefit of our public schools and the people of North Carolina.