Integration's impact on quality of schools and thoughts on merger and busing
Neal reflects on issues related to school integration following the completion of the process in 1972. According to Neal, the integration process and the ways in which it reverberated through the community had led to a decline in the quality of Durham city schools. Neal explains how Durham city schools had been superior to the county schools during the 1940s and 1950s, but the "flight" of whites and middle-class African Americans to the suburbs following integration had reversed this situation. She relates these conditions to her stance on school merger and issues of busing.
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Oral History Interview with Patricia Neal, June 6, 1989. Interview C-0068. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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But before we do that, do you think there's more
of the story post-1972 that's important to record?
- PATRICIA NEAL:
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I don't think so, except that in 1973, when I was Chairman,
Mr. Chewning, who had been the Superintendent for twenty-three years,
his health had deteriorated, and he was a Southern gentleman from South
Carolina and the whole integration [process] was more then he could deal
with. After he retired, we then hired Dr. Frank Yeager, who cam from the
Louisville, Kentucky, school system and who was an enormously talented
and very, very sensitive administrator. Frank Yeager was here from
'73 to '83, and I think much of the progress that
we continue to make in race relations and improving the quality of the
Durham County schools rests with the decision to hire that man. He was
absolutely phenomenal. That's a whole other story, too,
because he was, a chapter in his career was as a Secret Service Agent to
President Kennedy, so there are lots of interesting stories that we
don't have time to go into today because they're
not really relevant except that his background was so varied and that he
just brought tremendous leadership. Your question goes back to the
Durham City and County schools. There was a history, back in the
40's and 50's, if you didn't go to the
Durham City system, you just were a nobody.
Anybody who was anybody in Durham went to Durham High. That was the
school to go to and be a graduate of. The Durham County schools were
very poor, very rural, and just didn't begin to have the
reputation for academic excellence that the Durham City Schools had.
After the integration of the schools, and at the same time that the
Durham County schools were under court order, the Durham City schools
were also under court order to integrate, and I think the population at
that point was probably about, maybe fifty-fifty in the Durham City
schools. When integration came, you had tremendous white, not only white
flight out of the city schools, but middle and upper income black flight
as well. Consequently, the Durham City schools have been left as
practically every other city system in the United States has been left,
and that is that they're very poor and very black, very
economically deprived, and they've gone from being
fifty-fifty back in 1970 to now being ninety-ten. We tried very hard in
1972 to, we had a merger vote then, but that was right after the
horrendous fight in Charlotte-Mecklenberg and the forced bussing in that
community, and when we said "merger" they said
"Charlotte-Mecklenberg," and we tried to point out to
the community that Durham County was not in any way, shape or form like
Charlotte-Mecklenberg, and it was beaten worse in '72 than
it's ever been beaten before. Interestingly enough, it was
beaten worse in the city precincts than it was in the county precincts,
and I think at that time, the black community recognized that they were
headed toward controlling their own school system, and they subsequently
elected a majority black Board and have had, now,
two black Superintendents. In the recent merger task force discussions
by the Durham committee, Willie Lovett and some of the other leaders,
George Reed, spoke very eloquently of the loss of power and control that
the city system would face if they merged because by law, the county
system becomes the government system, and they would, in essence, be
swallowed up unless some very, very strict guidelines were drawn up
about representation on the board and how the people in the city system
in administrative positions would be treated in a merged system, what
their future would be.
- KATHRYN NASSTROM:
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That's interesting. The merger question is in the papers now,
and it's interesting to see how far back it goes and how some
of the exact same issues were in place seventeen years ago.
- PATRICIA NEAL:
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In 1972, the last time we had a vote on it, the very same issues that
have been raised this year on the Merger Task Force were raised then,
and I don't see any differences except that logistically,
with the fifty-fifty black population in Durham City, it would have been
a whole lot easier to get a reasonable racial balance in the schools in
1972 than it's going to be today.
- KATHRYN NASSTROM:
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What's your position on this and has it changed in the
seventeen year period? Did you think differently about this issue in
'72 than you do now?
- PATRICIA NEAL:
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I was very much pro-merger in 1972. I worked long and hard to effect a
merger then because I think it could have been done successfully then.
My position has changed only in that given the
racial distribution of students and the fact that you would have to
have, and I think the courts would demand that you have, some reasonable
kind of racial balance. The disparity in the two systems just about
where black and white kids live would mean a horrendous amount of
bussing, and the quality of the education in the city system has
declined, I think, dramatically while it's gone up
dramatically in the county system. The disparity, quite frankly, in the
leadership in the Durham city system, the quality of the leadership is
poor. They refuse to bite the bullet on personnel. When
they've got a principal who can't cut it, they
bring him into the central office. Up until last year, they had the
highest per capita, highest per student, expenditure in the state of
North Carolina, and they've got the highest administrative
per pupil ratio in the state. Every time they've had any
difficult situation with a black administrator, they pull him out of a
principalship and find a place for him in the central office. They just
are unwilling to bite the leadership bullet, and a merger now would mean
that you're going to sacrifice the county kids for however
many years it takes to straighten out the mess. I think, eventually,
it's probably going to come, but it's going to be
at the sacrifice of the county kids, and that's difficult
because it's going to be chaos, just chaos. It's a
tough one.