Well, briefly, I was born in Asheville, North Carolina, but I was raised
here in Greensboro. My mother was from Greensboro, and my father was
from Duplin County, N. C. In World War I he served over-seas in the
infantry, and when he came back home he decided he wanted to get off the
tobacco farm and get involved in the business end of it, and so his job
as a traveling salesman for Rumford Baking Powder Co. ended him up in
Greensboro and he married my mother, moved to Asheville for a couple of
years. I was born in March and in September they came back to
Greensboro. So this is really the only home I have ever known. I went
through the school system here and graduated from Greensboro senior high
school in 1941, then in the fall of 1941 I enrolled at Wake Forest
College. I went to school with the idea from the very beginning that at
some point I wanted to go to law school and become a lawyer. I was there
three semesters—Pearl Harbor had come along in my first year and I
wasn't but 17 years old then—next year when I became 18 I enlisted the
Army. I was away for three years, came back and resumed my studies and
graduated with a bachelor of science degree in June of 1947. Two years
later I graduated from the law school in June of 1949 and actually took
the bar examination in March of '49. I passed it so I started practicing
law here in Greensboro, actually, before I graduated from law
school—before I received my degree.
While at Wake Forest I'd become interested in
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and I had been very deeply involved in campus politics and was elected
president of the student body and also president of the Student Bar
Association while I was in law school. I came back to Guilford County
and shortly—they are always looking for some young lawyer to work in
political campaigns—the political leaders were—so I obviously came to
the attention of some of them. I knew a number of the lawyers around
town anyway before I had finished. So the first thing I knew some of
them had come to me and involved me in some of the local campaigns. I
managed the Sheriff's campaign in 1950. I had been active in the YDC
before I left Wake Forest, and so I maintained my interest and in the
group of contemporaties, the lawyers and business people around High
Point and Greensboro and throughout the county, we had—I think—a
top-notch YDC Chapter here.
I believe it was in '53 I ran for state president of the YDC and was
elected, and Everett Jordan—Luther Hodges had come on the scene—I
remember when he ran for Lt. Governor in 1952, and I was running around
for YDC business and he and I would sort of go around together. After I
was elected I was going all over the state making appearances and making
speeches and meeting people, and Everett Jordan pretty soon became the
Chairman of the State Party. I don't recall exactly when this was, but
it was after Governor Umstead had died and Luther Hodges had been
elected—unexpectedly, really—to the position of Lt. Governor, became
Governor. He and Everett, of course, were good friends. Everett was, I
think, one of the best state chairmen this party has ever had. He was
available, he was interested, he was practical, he was straightforward
and honest, and I think, highly respected. The only criticism—among some
people—was that he
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liberal as some. I expect you have heard that from others.
Everett, I think, did a fine job, and I got to know him in those days.
Then later I became prosecuting attorney, or solicitor we called it
then, I was elected to that position twice for the 12th district
composed of Guilford and Davidson Counties. Held court in Greensboro and
High Point and Lexington prosecuting the docket. Then when Mr. Carl
Durham, our long-time Congressman from Chapel Hill announced that he was
not going to seek reelection in late '59—I remember distinctly, I was
holding court in Lexington and one of the Greensboro reporters called
me, and somebody suggested I might be interested and wanted to know if I
was going to run for Congress, that Mr. Durham had announced that he was
retiring.
Well, I gave him what I thought was a pretty good political answer—I
didn't say yes or no, I said Maybe—it depends on this and that. Anyway,
I did run and was elected in the fall of 1960 and went to Washington.
Everett, in the meantime, had been appointed by Governor Hodges to the
seat that had been occupied by Kerr Scott who had died unexpectedly of a
heart attack. I believe that was about '57 or '58. 1958, because I know
that when I got to Washington, Everett had been there a couple of years.
Senator Ervin had been there five or six. I guess he came in in about
'54. Anyway, Everett and I were friends when I got up there. Coupled
with an appreciation for each other and a fondness for each other, there
was also the factor that we were from the same Congressional District.
Everett used to flatter me considerably—as a fairly young man in those
days—by introducing me, or telling people in groups that I was
his Congressman. He always emphasized the
his. One day I said, "Senator, I don't know
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how to take that. I don't whether you mean I'm representing you, or you
mean I'm in your pocket or something like that." He laughed and he said,
"Oh, no. You're from the 6th district and it's the finest district in
the state and one of the finest in the country. And you and I always
work together like two mules." I said, "Well that's what I thought." As
a matter of fact, we did. For the eight years I was there.
I was elected and reelected four times—I had a young family and in those
days unlike now, they didn't hardly pay you enough to live on—of course
they say the same thing now, and I guess it's true because prices have
increased substantially—but my family was living down here in North
Carolina and I was up there, and we had three young children, and I
finally decided that my first responsibility was to my family, my wife
and children. As much as I regretted having to make that decision and
give up my congressional seat, I voluntarily did that in 1969. I
announced in late '67 that I was not going to run so anybody that might
be interested in succeding me had an opportunity to get in and start a
campaign. I went out of office on January 3, 1969. Several months after
I had announced I would not seek reelection to the 91st Congress,
Senator Earl Clements of Kentucky, former Senator and former Governor of
Kentucky, who at that time was president of the Tobacco Institute in
Washington, which is a trade association for the major tobacco
manufacturers or for most of the tobacco manufacturers in the country,
came to see me and wanted to know if I would be interested in going to
work over there. I told him, "No, I wanted to get back to Greensboro and
get into law practice." Well he'd keep coming back. Earl had a
fascinating way about him; he never pushed you too hard; never hustled
you, so to speak, but he
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up on your blind side. I'd come back during that last session of
Congress that I served in. Every time I would come home another group
would call on me and say, "Now you be back here, and when Congress
adjourns we want you to come back on the board at the church and we want
you to get back interested in the Boy Scouts and always somebody you
couldn't say no to. They were smart in that respect. I told my wife, I
said, "Annie [unknown], you know I figured it up today,
when we come back here I'll be out for some kind of fried chicken and
peas dinner or supper about five nights out of the week. One of the
things both she and I were striving for was more time together and more
time with the children. I particularly was just hungry almost, for an
evening when I could come home and read the paper or look at TV, or talk
or play with the children without being constantly interrupted by
telephone calls and other things of that sort.
When I went to Washington the oldest child was eight and the youngest was
one. The older two sort of grew up while I was away in Washington, and
that preyed on my mind, and I felt that all the time I was there in the
Congress—I told somebody—this may be an over-statement to some
extent—some of my friends in Washington who were incredulous that I, at
my age of 43 or 44, after having served eight years, would decide to
quit. Because the way most people get out of Congress—the story
goes—there are two ways to get out and both involve boxes—the ballot box
or the pine box, and I had done something that nobody had done in a
hundred years almost. [unknown] I carry a guilty
conscience all the time. If I'm with my constituents I feel guilty that
I'm not with my family; when I'm with my family I feel like I ought to
be with my constituents—that's just the way I'm made up, and the only
way I knew to resolve that and lead any kind of
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reasonably satisfactory and sane life was to go on back and say that
this opportunity—and it was that and I always appreciated it—came to me
at the wrong time in my life and I had other commitments that were of
equal magnitude in my mind, to me personally. So that's what happened so
finally I agreed to stay up there and go with the Tobacco Institute.
I started as vice counsel—I was the only lawyer in the organization at
that time. Earl was still the president. Then in a year and a half after
that in May of 1970 Earl decided he wanted to retire as president, and
the board of directors composed of the executives of the major companies
selected me to succeed him as president. Earl had been in the Senate—he
was the assistant to Lyndon B. Johnson back in the '50's at the time
Lyndon had his heart attack and was incapaciated for some several
months, Earl—one of my close friends there—later to become my close
friend in Washington who was then President of the Tobacco Institute was
the acting majority leader of the United States Senate. Well Earl was
defeated because he paid too much attention to Washington according to
everything I learned, and Thruston Morton came along, a popular, fairly
young man at that time, and beat Earl. But politically it did not hurt
Earl any in his Washington relations. He had a lot of friends there; he
knew a lot of the old timers, and had more stories, almost, than Sam
Ervin about people and places and occurences of the past. He was a good
student of history and dwelt on them and the reason I mention that to
you is that I learned a whole lot from him as I tried to do with most of
the people like Everett Jordan, Sam Ervin, Earl Clements and others that
I had been close to through the years, and I had great respect for them,
and they had been great teachers.
During all those years in Congress Everett Jordan and I worked very
closely together. Not only on legislative matters that were important to
N. C., matters that involved the tobacco industry; the textile industry,
the furniture
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days there was more to do about textiles than there was about tobacco,
believe it or not, because the biggest, and about the only legislative
involvement with tobacco in those days was the farm program itself—the
support program.