Personal pressures of the governorship
Holshouser describes the personal pressures of the governorship. The office not only confines you and your family in a "fish bowl," it also creates an enduring sense of obligation, both to continue serving and in citizens who remember your service. Holshouser goes on to reflect on the unique pressure the office exerts on governors' wives and his efforts to maintain a somewhat normal family life by relying on routines, like a family breakfast.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with James E. Holshouser Jr., May 9, 1998. Interview C-0328-3. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- JACK FLEER:
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I want to talk finally about the impact of being governor on you as a
person and on your family. What do you see has been the impact of being
governor? What was it while you were governor and what has it been since
on you as an individual?
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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Well during the governorship you move from being just one of the fellows
to being the guy in the fish bowl all of the time and the family in the
fish bowl all the time. It has a serious impact on the wife and kids.
That is an impact that probably will last with them for a lifetime. In
one sense, it gives the governor something that you can't
lose, unless you throw it away and nobody can take away from you by the
fact that you got elected even if it is a total
accident. And that gives you I think a confidence. I think whether it is
deserved or not, it lets you see life in a little bit different
perspective. It has people seeing you in somewhat of a different
perspective. If you leave office and go out and get yourself convicted
of embezzling an investment of $100,000 from somebody or get
charged with sexual molestation of minors or whatever, you are going to
lose that. You have some potential to lose some of it if you come back
and try to run again and lose as Bob [Scott] did, against Jim Hunt.
Although I find for the most part those scars are probably felt just
inside of him and I am not sure that they are there. I think that most
people have sort of forgotten that; but it is just not in front of their
minds all of the time. They just view Bob as the former governor. I
think he is just as well regarded as others in spite of that loss.
Hadn't changed the fact that he knows a lot about government,
knows an awful lot of people, that kind of thing. Just the sheer fact of
running, if you run right, gives you a whole new perspective on the
state, how big it is and how long it is, all different parts of it.
Serving heightens that I think. It is nice to know that if my car breaks
down somewhere in the night any place, there is going to be somebody out
there I know who can come give me a place to spend the night. I think it
gives you a sense of public duty that doesn't stop when you
leave office. Part of it won't let you. Dan Moore told me one
time you can't ever quit being Governor. A lot of people who
helped you along the line still call and ask for you to do something.
You just can't say no. I am going over to Rowan County next
Saturday night to a Republican dinner, post primaries, I think. There is
not a single thing that says I should do that, except I just know
inside, I can't not do it.
- JACK FLEER:
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You said it has a serious impact on family. Can you talk about that a
little bit more?
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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Well, I think wives have the hardest time during the administration. The
governor has lots of people pulling and tugging and people wanting him
to do things. You have got things to keep you busy. When the newspapers
shoot at you you either address that or ignore it whatever. But the wife
can't do a thing but just sit there and take it. It is harder
having somebody say something about the person you love than having it
said about you in a way, at least that is how I feel. I
haven't had many people say bad things about Pat so
I'll speak from experience. That is how it seems. Over the
years I have watched spouses have much more a difficult time with events
than the people who are directly involved. For our daughter, the four
years was a lot of good things. She got to see parts of the country and
the world that she couldn't see otherwise. Had a whole
different perspective about the highway patrol because they were around
all the time. She considers them her best buddies. She also has no
hesitancy about walking up to any state agency and walking through the
front door or calling and saying I have got to come see you about
something.
- JACK FLEER:
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Now.
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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Yes. And she would not hesitate to pick up the phone and call Carolyn
Hunt about something. I am not sure she has but I know she
wouldn't hesitate.
- JACK FLEER:
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It is the confidence to do that.
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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And yet she endured some things during those four years just because she
was always the governor's daughter wherever she went to
school and that set her apart. There were some down sides to that that
weren't serious fortunately. But it is things that I
think parents have to work really hard not to let
kids get sort of lost in all of this that is going on.
- JACK FLEER:
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I remember you saying earlier that whenever you finally decided to run
for the office of governor you said to your wife, you either have to run
for governor or get out of politics, things had come to that level. So I
assume that your wife and by extension that your daughter was part of
the decision to run for the office.
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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Well Ginny wasn't. Pat definitely was and she had been
supportive all the way through. And my father, even though he
didn't think I stood a prayer I don't think, once
I decided that I was going to do it, supported me all the way. When I
say all the way he signed a second mortgage on our house and he signed a
note.
- JACK FLEER:
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On the line for it?
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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That is right. Put your money where your mouth is or a risk of losing
money. He and my mother looked after Ginny during the time that Pat and
I were both on the road during the campaign. I am not sure that we
appreciated how much effort that they put in during that year. Even
after it was over with. It was one of those things that you do inside
the family, just a normal thing that was happening. But looking back,
they probably did as much for that campaign as anybody just in terms of
looking after our daughter and looking after all the things that I
couldn't look after and Pat couldn't look after
because we were gone.
- JACK FLEER:
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Did you take any special measures or decisions to try to maintain some
kind of "normal" family life?
- JAMES E. HOLSHOUSER, JR.:
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Well I suspect that Pat probably did more thinking about that than I did.
We made a point of having breakfast every morning together. That
wasn't the case at dinners that you
attended where you had people coming in and Ginny couldn't be
part of that. And we made a point of marking on the calendar when she
was going to have some kind of event at school so that I
wasn't off in Charlotte or Timbuktu. Because you have got
some places you can go every night you just have to schedule those that
you have to work around with all the rest. And it is, I think Pat was
relieved to get out of the spotlight fish bowl and she would not be
enthusiastic if I decided I wanted to run again. She would probably say
I have been there and I didn't particularly enjoy it the
first time and I know I don't want to do it again. She would
probably do it if I really got my heart into it. She probably would do
it with enthusiasm to help win once we got into it. But up until I
decided she would be encouraging me not to do it probably. Ginny on the
other hand I think if the situation arrived would love to run for
office.