Utility of succession, veto, and budgetary powers to a governor
Hunt describes obtaining the gubernatorial powers of succession and the veto during his terms in office. He maintains that the governor should have flexible and broad powers to yield economic and long-term effective policies for the state.
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Oral History Interview with James B. Hunt, October 3, 2001. Interview C-0332. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- JACK FLEER:
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Governor, during your service in the office of governor the formal
authority and powers of the office changed rather significantly. You had
right of succession, veto power, enhanced budget power. Do you feel that
these have strengthened the office in measurable ways?
- JAMES B. HUNT:
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Yes. In several ways, first of all a governor has the possibility of
serving two terms. If he does in fact serve two terms, he learns an
awful lot about the job. I don't think there's any
question about that. In my second term in my first go around, I learned
more about it. I was able to be effective. Coming back for me was an
unusual situation. I don't know if that will ever happen
again or not. I've done four terms. I'd do even
more. I was more effective than I was the first time. So you learn more
how to do it successfully. With the possibility that you'll
run again people are more apt to stay on the team. You don't
become a lame duck the first time. You're more able to press
forward, have the continuity in programs. My last two terms we
implemented Smart Start. It took us several years to do it. We phased in
the funding. We couldn't jump to two or three hundred
thousand dollars, millions dollars a year all at once. So succession
means that people are more apt to stay on your team, know that you can
be there longer, stay committed to both you and the carrying through of
your program. It's all about your ability to lead and to make
things happen and to help people. These are just tools. The veto is I
think quite important. We haven't seen it used yet. I never
used it, and Mike Easley has not thus far. But both of us have made it
very clear that we would if necessary. I think this budget passed last
week in large measure because Easley said I will not sign
another—
- JACK FLEER:
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Extension.
- JAMES B. HUNT:
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Extension. Whatever you call it. Continuing funding bill. He
wouldn't do it. That would've never happened
before. The governor just had to bend to the will of the legislature. On
many occasions where environmental laws were being threatened. Here
I'm talking to low again which I've never been
accused of doing much—environmental laws were being
threatened, when people were not willing to [do] the right thing on the
budget, I made it very clear that I would use the veto. I always said it
in a very understated way. I tried not to ever make it a threat. But it
was understood. People knew that I would do it, and they know that
Easley will do it and governors in the future. Governors in the future
will veto things. That will make the legislature more responsible, and
it will make positions clearer. I think both of those are sort of
powers, tools that made the governor more effective, and I worked hard
to get them in place, and I think it was the right thing to do.
- JACK FLEER:
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Are there other changes having served as governor for sixteen years that
you would consider or think the state should consider?
- JAMES B. HUNT:
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I think, yes, I think the state ought to consider having some of the
council of state positions appointed. For a long time I pushed hard to
have the superintendent be chosen by the state board of education. I
finally gave up on that because I just didn't think it was
going to happen. I saw how the people were feeling about giving up any
of their right to vote. They were strongly opposed to it. This was I
think in large measure because of their suspicion of government and not
wanting to give up any of their powers. I feel very strongly that we
ought to change the way we select judges. I think they ought to be
perhaps panels nominated by knowledgeable and responsible people but
appointed by the governor. Let them have a chance
to stand for re-election or for another term without. I think the
election of judges has become a very unfortunate thing where money is
too important. I think it is denying justice and politicizing the
position of judge to a certain extent.
- JACK FLEER:
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Now as governor you appointed a lot of judges.
- JAMES B. HUNT:
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I sure did. I did appoint a lot of judges. These were where new
judgeships were created and where people resigned. I think that if you
go through and look at my appointees as judges you will find that they
have really been an outstanding group, very knowledgeable. And if you
look at district court judges today, you will find people who are far
more committed to trying to help young people avoid a life of crime and
conquer [unclear] and so forth and things
I really stressed. Of course I always stressed judges who would be tough
on crime and tough on criminals. You've got two things. I
want to be tough on crime, but second I want to help kids. Some people
are one or the other but not both. So those are things that I would like
to see changed, but in politics you have to be realistic. When you
finally conclude, you keep seeing these polls that say eighty percent of
the people want to keep voting for their superintendent of public
instruction, it's time to run another rabbit.
- JACK FLEER:
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What about budget powers? Are there any changes in the budget powers that
you think ought to be considered?
- JAMES B. HUNT:
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The governor ought to be given more budget powers, more flexibility, so
he can deal with situations. Now we have some of that and Governor
Easley just used some of that, but we ought to have more. The
legislature started taking that away from the governor back probably in
my second term. One place where that really came to bear
was when we would need to be recruiting industry, and we
always need to, to bring new jobs because you always have jobs leaving
particularly in textiles. We would maybe run out of money to be able to
commit for worker training or things of that sort. If we
didn't have flexibility to move some more money to take it
from this area and put it into this area where we needed it for jobs,
then we'd just stop getting them. So I think the governor
does need more budgetary [flexibility]. He needs more flexibility in how
to handle the budget. We kind of reverse that a little bit. The governor
had a lot of power. Then a lot of it was taken back. Then I think it
started back toward giving the governor the kind of flexibility that he
needs. But I think more needs to be done.