I don't think they would have done it, they would have talked it, you
know, but I don't think they would have done it. It's like this guy that
our black vice-president told me about, who got elected head of the
National Black Baptist Conference and he ran on a platform that the
presidency should be rotated at every convention, and as soon as he got
elected, he stopped the proposal for rotation. And Todd says that he is
still there. I don't know, there was that element, and you know, it is
always easy in the South to be anti-international. That's a fact, you
know,
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some programs like that. They weren't programs that Baldanzi had worked
for within TWUA. No, I think they were more politically designed,
possibly. But I think that it would be true to say that a lot of the
idealistic people, like the education department people, who tend to be
idealists anyway, a lot of those guys, Pat Knight, whose daddy had been
a doctor in Greensboro, had been on our education staff for a long time
and she is with a government agency now out of the country, she was very
much pro-Baldanzi. Joe Glazer. He was in the education department under
Larry Rogan. Larry told them, "you've got to keep your noses clean." The
theory was, and it is a theory that I believe in, that department people
have got to be non-political. If they are not non-political, they can no
longer perform their own functions. No regional director is going to
have a political type education person come in and teach the shop
stewards class. The hell with that, you know. If they will concentrate
on what their subject is, you know, they can function. If they don't,
only the people on the same side as them, wherever they are …