Formation of SNCC and the importance of collective action
Baker discusses her role in the formation of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). In focusing on the founding principles of SNCC, Baker explains why she believed it was important for SNCC to remain one group, rather than to split into two factions focusing on nonviolence and voter registration. Ultimately, Baker argues that "the strength of the movement lay in being together, not in division." Additionally, Baker briefly discusses the relationship of SNCC to other prominent race organizations of the era.
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Oral History Interview with Ella Baker, September 4, 1974. Interview G-0007. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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Everybody gives you credit for bringing about two almost profound
compromises in terms of S.N.C.C. and S.N.C.C.'s relationship
to S.C.L.C… The first one—and I'd like
for you to help —took place in that
second organizational meeting. No, the first one led to the actual
calling of the meeting. You believed, you expressed that in the papers
I've seen, that in order to keep the
spirits going among these young people, keeping them from being
discouraged and resorting to violence, we've got to get them
some kind of co-ordination and direction going right here, an
organization. So you talked the S.C.L.C. into underwriting this Raleigh
Conference at your former school. And that's where you first
got together, where you brought all these students together from North
and South and some leaders. The young people, from what I could gather,
were a little skeptical about Dr. King at that time but they were
somewhat high on Rev. Lawson. But they went along with adding
non-violence to their platform because of the influence of people like
you and Rev. Lawson in addition to the charisma of Dr. King. The second
one where you brought about a compromise was in Montego at the
Highlander Folk School. This one I think was a little bit more
significant in that it almost led to the breaking up of
S.N.C.C… You had a group there that wanted to be engaged in
militant action, confrontation ahead. You had another group that was
being enticed to engage in the poor force and voter registration. So you
suggested that they go both ways. And the young people bought that.
- ELLA BAKER:
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What they really were fighting over was a question of dominance. Those
who came out of the nonviolent resistance
struggle, like Diane Nash and some who came out of Nashville, were more
deeply indoctrinated in the real philosophy and practice of non-violence
than many others. Those who were advocating voter registration had been
influenced to a large extent by their meetings with such personalities
as Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy had tried to almost buy them in terms of
saying concentrate on getting black people registered. Of course he had
in mind the next election which would have brought his brother back in.
So at the Highlander meeting there were those who contended very heavily
for their points of view to the point that they looked like they were
splitting. I had been accused by a couple of the grown-ups there of not
letting them more or less split because those who were very dedicated to
the concept of non-violence did not see that voter-registration would
precipitate a conflict, a confrontation with violence, had to, because
of the kinds of areas to which they were going. The young people
decided—after months and months, weeks and weeks, all night
and so forth—recognized that going to southwest Georgia,
going down into deep Alabama and Mississippi meant you were going to be
faced with violence. So if they compromised, it was largely in terms of
the fact that the strength of the movement lay in being together not in
division. That was the basis. Nine was not a
choice of non-violence versus the other. Mine was in terms of the
knowledge of history that I at least had and the recognition that where
their strength would ultimately lie would be in involving people in
mass, but together, not one fighting for non-violence.
- EUGENE WALKER:
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During that time what was N.A.A.C.P. and C.O.R.e. s reaction to the
S.C.L.C.?
- ELLA BAKER:
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Outwardly it was friendly, let's put it that way. Maybe
subterraneously there were concerns about the extent to which S.C.L.C.
might pre-empt their roll in certain places, but you didn't
have any outward conflict.
- EUGENE WALKER:
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The organization pulled an awful lot of people from the
N.A.A.C.P….
- ELLA BAKER:
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No, I don't think so.
- EUGENE WALKER:
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That was because you didn't accept individual membership.
- ELLA BAKER:
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That was one of the basics.
- EUGENE WALKER:
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That was one of the basic rules of S.C.L.C. in all of the
time—placate organizations like N.A.A.C.P….
- ELLA BAKER:
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That was a basic projection from the beginning when those of us who
thought in terms of organizing an S.C.L.C. or some force in the
South—was to avoid individual memberships which would not
place you in competition with the
N.A.A.C.P….