Challenges of acting the middleman between bosses and employees
Pharis describes the difficulty of acting as a middleman between the bosses above him and the employees beneath him. He chose not to socialize with either group, and resisted efforts to draw him into the church community.
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Oral History Interview with James Pharis, July 24, 1977. Interview H-0038. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- CLIFF KUHN:
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It seems that, to a degree, as supervisor you're sort of in
the middle—on the one hand you had to deal with the
management and also with the workers. How did you feel about being in
the middle?
- JAMES PHARIS:
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Well, sometimes it'd get pretty pinky. For instance, the way
Burlington Mills handled things back in them days was… a big
methods and standard man would come down or somebody would come out of
Greensboro down here and we'd have a meeting. Well,
they'd have a plan. In that plan was getting more work out of
somebody for the same money. Then they'd put it up to the
overseers to sell the people and make them happy with more work for the
same money. If you didn't do it, then the question would be,
"Why couldn't you sell them on it?" That
was the only thing that ever worried me at the Plaid Mill. Trying to
sell the people and make them happy and, you know, that's one
hell of a job.
- CLIFF KUHN:
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Well, how would you go about doing it?
- JAMES PHARIS:
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I'd just do the best I could. That's all and had
pretty good luck with it but I'd never know when there was
going to be a flap about it. We never did have one.
- CLIFF KUHN:
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What did you feel about that?
- JAMES PHARIS:
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How did I feel about it? Well, I was working for the
company and I'd do everything in the world I possibly could
to put that plant over.
- CLIFF KUHN:
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Outside of the mill itself, who did you associate more
with—with people who worked in the weave room, with people in
managament?
- JAMES PHARIS:
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No, I didn't never make a practice of associating with the
managament. I never would forget what the preacher at the Hocutt
Memorial Baptist Church told me one time. He come to me and wanted me to
come to church, come to Sunday School. I was going to church. He wanted
me to come to Sunday School. I says, "Preacher, I could tell
you a hundred different things. The reason I don't come to
Sunday School is because I don't want to. You know it and I
know it. If I wanted to, I'd go. That's the only
answer I got." He says, "Well now, how about you
joining that church over there. It'd be
to your benefit to join. Now all of your supervisors is a member over
there and it would help you alot to join over there." I says,
"Now listen, Preacher. If you want to talk church with me, you
talking on the wrong line. I don't join nothing because my
boss is a member if I don't want to join. If I go to Baptist
Church, or join the Baptish Church it's going to be because I
want to join the church and not because my boss is a member."
He laughed. He never did say anything else to me about it. That was
while church was so close to the job.
- CLIFF KUHN:
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So outside of work, who were the type of people you associated with?
- JAMES PHARIS:
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They was just like me. Just ordinary folks. Some worked down there and
some didn't. I never did get out and socialize too much no
way.