Tensions rise in Conover during civil rights protests
Gilbert remembers integration in Conover, North Carolina. He does not recall much controversy regarding school integration, but he does remember tensions at some local stores. An African American cafe owner tried to bring some African Americans to a white cafe and one white Conover resident drove them off with a gun; some African American boys who tried to get refunds on milkshakes at a drug store faced threats from the owner; and, Gilbert remembers, African Americans in Winston-Salem burned down white shops. The civil rights movement did not change much for African American workers at Conover Furniture, Gilbert remembers: African American employees continued to take the jobs white workers did not want.
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Oral History Interview with Frank Gilbert, Summer 1977. Interview H-0121. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- PATTY DILLEY:
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Yes, I remember your wife was talking about that. I was in the band at
Conover. Do you remember when they brought in integration to the
schools here?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Oh, yes.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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What happened then when they did that?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Didn't too much happen in the schools as it did the eating
places. More happened there.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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What happened?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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They first started to bus colored kids in the first grade—they
first started with them—then by the time they grew up, why,
it was all right. Yes, I remember—it was in 1953,
wasn't it?—when the first school was integrated in
the United States in Little Rock, Arkansas. Oh, they had a time there
with Orville Faubus.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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What happened when they did the schools here?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Never too much happened.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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How about the eating places?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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We didn't have too much eating places. We had two colored
cafes and one white one. I don't think there was but one
white one in town. One of these fellows run one of the colored cafes. He
got a bunch of, I don't think they were local colored
people—they were mostly from Claremont—but they
all went to the white cafe up there and eat. And that man that run that
was man like Mr. Bolick; he'd get pretty fiery sometimes. And
the first thing he done… They let the colored people eat up
there, but they had a certain place for them to eat. But this old boy,
he was going to eat up front. I didn't see it; I seen the
crowd milling around out there. But before long, they began to leave. I
asked one of them, "What's the matter that
you're leaving so soon?" Because I always got along
with colored people good, and I'd kid them a lot and all. He
said, "If you'd seen that gun Mr. Lynch brought out,
you'd know why we're leaving."
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Gosh.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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He had brought his gun out and told them, now, if they wanted to eat,
come on back where the rest of the colored people eat; if they
didn't, just get on away. And they left. I don't
think they ever did try it anymore.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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They never did try it. Is that down at that…
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Then they had a skirmish up at Bowman's Drug Store.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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What happened up there?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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A bunch of young black boys had ordered themselves a milkshake, and after
they had about half of it, took it back in and wanted their money back;
they said it wasn't sweet enough. It was a bunch of young
colored, maybe some of them high school age and younger. He got in an
argument with them, and I passed the drugstore about the time it was
happening, and I knew one of them. I said, "What's
the matter?" "Mr. Bowman sold us some milkshakes that
wasn't sweet enough, and we wanted our money back, and he
wouldn't give us our money back." I said,
"Are you telling me the truth?" "I reckon I
am." I said, "I don't believe you are. You
know the girls who work in there didn't make milkshakes no
different from what they sold anybody else." Said, "We
thought they was different, anyhow." And Mr. Bowman come out
there and he was real red, said, "The best thing you can do,
boys, is leave here. The next time I come out, I'm coming out
with a pistol." I didn't know whether he would or
not, but I told them boys, I didn't know Bowman, but I said,
"Now, the best thing you boys can do is just go on away like he
said and don't cause no trouble. You can't get
anywhere by causing trouble anyhow." They went on off and never
did any more about that.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Gosh. So those were the main controversies that opened up
integration.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Yes, that was about the only troubles I know of they had around here.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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This is the first mention that I've heard of it, and
I've been trying to find out, because I knew something must
have happened. I mean something's bound to happen.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Yes.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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And I couldn't find anybody that remembered anything exactly.
about that.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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It was a lot better here than it was lots of places. We didn't
have too much… We didn't have no big trouble, I
think. Now Winston-Salem down there, they burned half the stores down in
Winston-Salem, the colored people did. I had a cousin; I saw him up here
at our meeting last Sunday or Sunday a week ago. He had a nice clothing
store, and they burnt it down.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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One of your cousins.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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One of my cousins' store.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Gosh, that's too bad. That kind of thing does happen.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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I reckon they had to have a little revolution to get what they
wanted.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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I guess so. But I'm glad to hear that this area
didn't have a whole lot of problems. Of course,
there's not a whole lot of blacks that live in this area
compared to other places, too.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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No. There's a pretty good little settlement of them over
there, but they always was pretty decent. All that ever I knew were
pretty decent kind of people. There was a lot of them descended from
them old Bakers and Clines.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Yes, there's a lot of Bakers over there. There's a
lot of them.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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One was Frank Baker. Me and him got to be pretty good buddies. He used to
help us around, help a plow and do anything that you wanted
him to. I said, "How come there's so
many Bakers over there?" "Well, I just
can't tell you. There is, come to think of it.
There's near about() more Baker$ than
there are niggers, ain't there?"
[Laughter] He was just full of fun like
that. He was the first colored man I learned to know when I come to
Conover. We worked together for Brady.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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After they had the civil rights case and everything, did that change
where blacks worked in the plant? Were they able to get better jobs in
the plant after all this integration stuff?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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They didn't right here. I was working at Conover Chair when
that happened. Didn't have a bit of trouble up there. Of
course, there wasn't but a few worked up there. This old
Walter Smith that I was telling you, and Rat Rheinhardt.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Where did they work in the plant?
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Most of the blacks worked over at Conover Furniture and
Brady's. A good many of them worked over there.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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When you were working at Conover Chair, what jobs did the blacks have in
the plant? You said some of them were janitors.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Old Walter Smith worked down with me in the machine room part of the
time, and then he filled cushions part of the time he had. And his wife
worked there, too. I never did know just what she did. She
didn't work around the machine room. Then little Rat
Rheinhardt. That was the only colored people worked there while I worked
in there. There wasn't many then.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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I guess you had a lot of them working with you at Conover Furniture,
though, at Brady's.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Yes, there were a whole lot more worked over there. In fact, there was
some work over there most white men wouldn't do, and they
never did mind doing it, it didn't seem
like. I believe they had a will to work.
- PATTY DILLEY:
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Well, I guess if that was the only job you could get, you had to take
it.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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Yes. [Laughter]
- PATTY DILLEY:
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So they would do jobs up there that those other people
wouldn't want to do.
- FRANK GILBERT:
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That's right.