Race relations in a rural southern town
When Barbee's family decided to leave their farm, the white landowner tried to cause financial problems for them, but her extended family stepped in and intervened. Barbee explains that they were able to do so because as the only auto mechanics in the area, they were important to the local business community. This leads her into a discussion of the black businesses in the local town.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with Annie Mack Barbee, May 28, 1979. Interview H-0190. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- BEVERLY JONES:
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Okay, while growing up on the farm, the immediate white contact was the
landlord. And what type of person was he, was he a good person to work
for?
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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I don't know nothing about him.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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You were very young.
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Very young, I can't remember. But I do know when the bo
weevils came through—they probably have already told you. The
mule died. And what else died. And he was supposed to come and get the
mule, and I got a first cousing—he's dead
now—Joe. That's my oldest aunts' son.
And Joe would come over there and help ma. He'd come over
there every Saturday night. And boil peanuts. He'd boil
peanuts in a iron kettle. And Joe would come over and help her do little
things around the house until it was time for us to move from the farm
to her home, that left my grandmomma. Getting ready to come to Durham,
but before that Joe would come over there every Saturday night. Now I
remember him telling my mother, he said if old McFadden come here and
bothering you let me know, 'cause if you ain't
going to—he cursed, I won't say the curse
word—he won't find nothing here. Momma said, well
the mule is sick. He said, let the so and so die. He said, I
won't bury him 'till McFadden come here. But sure
enough the mule died so McFadden—I can remember seeing him,
but I don't know him—he came with that old mule.
And Joe said, the so and so out there do you
want him? And he said no. He said, well you can have him. He said, you
can take him and bury him. I think with so many difference against, you
know, they take up all their livestock and what not, 'cause
momma didn't make no crop that year. And so everything died,
you know, the mule died. I don't know whether the cow died or
not. But Joe'd taken some of the stuff and taken to his
father's house to keep it. So McFadden couldn't
get it, so he came there looking for something, but he didn't
find anything. He knew Momma had to leave, she couldn't stay
there. And whatever he came for, he couldn't find it, because
I think the mule was the most important thing, but the mule died. Let me
see, did the horse die, yeah, both of
'em died. But Joe wouldn't bury 'em,
'cause he wanted him to see 'em. But he saw
'em, this old McFadden, he saw that mule and thing out there.
Then after he left, but I can't describe him. A little low
looking man.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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And so Mr. McFadden did allow the family to leave without paying off what
…
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Yeah, 'cause Joe—you see, Joe, my cousing, they had
some words. And I don't know what their words were exactly
but I know, knowing Joe, told him he couldn't get nothing if
she didn't have it. Or something like that. I was small then.
And so, everything he could find he would take it to his
daddy's. You know, little tools around the house and the plow
and all that. He'd take that stuff and carry it to his
father, before my mother left. So the man really didn't have
anything to go there and get but a empty house, and Joe saw to that.
That's her nephew on my daddy's side. And so we
left, and went on to her mother's. And they had to crate the
stuff to bring it to Durham. And every time they'd crate
something, the man at the freight station would tell Joe it was wrong.
So Joe crated three times, I do remember that. Peanuts and peas and
we'd put it in crates, stuff that the man was supposed to get
and Joe wouldn't let him get it. The last time Joe went down
to the station, the freight station, he told Joe it wasn't
right. And Joe said, I did everything you told me to do. He said if this
is not right—and I won't say the curse
word—and he grabbed the man. And a man that knew my uncle,
which was Joe's father, went and told Uncle Buddy to send Uly
down to the freight station because Joe was fixing to kill that white
man. So Uly got on the car and went on down there, and when he
went down there, he said they were cursing like
mad. He said Joe was crying. Well see, one thing about them, they
didn't have to bow. Their father had a plenty.
They'd been mingling with white folks all their life. They
didn't go out and work on the farm like the most families.
His father owned a plenty, Joe's father, my aunt and her
husband owned a plenty. So her children didn't know what it
was to bow down to white people. They didn't. And that boy,
no way. So Uly had to go down there and get Joe. And so Joe
said—Uly said, what's the matter, the man told
me… So Uly got in with that. He said, well if this stuff is
not crated right, and if you don't put this stuff on that
freight train and anything happens, you going to hear from us. So the
man let it pay. Didn't want it to leave.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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It's 1900's and they're talking about,
you're white.
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Yeah.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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It must have been a very reputable family.
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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They was. Because here's why I say. You see, Uly was know all
over Manning and surrounding country—towns rather. Because he
had the only black mechanic shop.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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Oh.
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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There's a connection there. Anything got wrong with your car,
unless you wanted to take it to Sumter or somewhere, you had to go to
him. Nowhere else to go. You had no choice, you had to go to him. And
they knew, he knew what he was doing. He went to school for it. So
whenever he spoke, he was heard. 'Cause if a man said,
(nonsense), he said, no sir, you're going to put it on there.
And he'd better get to Durham safe. Joe had to crate this
stuff three times, and each time he sent it back. He said, now,
it's not going back. It's not, and if
anything wrong, you tell me right now what. And the man
said, no, no, no, nothing wrong. And he had to hold Joe, and push him
back, 'cause Joe had done grabbed him. See Joe was fixing to
kill him. So Uly had to go down there and speak, and that stuff went on
and came to Durham all right. Nothing wrong with it, it got to Durham.
Poppa got somebody to get it from the freight station, it was fine. So
you see, they didn't go humbling the white people. They
didn't know what it was. In other words, to tell you the
truth, they was just as—I mean they have just as much as the
poor pecks or more, some of 'em. And Uly Miller's
name was known all over that town, surrounding country. And they call,
call Uly, tell him we had a wreck. Here he'd come with his
wrecker. That was early. Didn't have no other. Had to. They
didn't want to, but they had no choice. They had to patronize
blacks when you ain't got no choice. They had to patronize
him, they had no choice. Or send it with the car, some motor, send away
to Sumter and get a wrecker, they had to use his.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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Do you recall what school did he go to to acquire this skill?
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Somewhere in Missouri, I don't know. Yeah, it was in the state
of Missouri, 'cause that's how he got acquainted
with your cousin Susan. He'd go to school with her on his
vacation or spring breaks or whatever you might call
it—he'd go over to Ohio State with his uncle. See
he'd go over there and stay with Susan then. Now
that's how they—he was the first one in the family
was known to that family. 'Cause none of 'em, they
won't own him. They'd been knowing him for years
when they were growing up, because he'd visit them. And go to
Uncle Arthur and stay, and work around there in Ohio, and then in the
fall he'd go back to school. Yeah, he was the only mechanic
anywhere in that town. 'Course there
were some came later, but he was the only one, Uly Miller. Uly Miller
auto and mechanic shop. The only one.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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Were there any other black businesses that you can recall of?
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Yeah, oh yeah. Black doctors. Doctor Whitney, Doctor Brown, and I think
they have some kind of printing something. Della White's
father. But I can't recall no store being run
by—oh yes they did. Aunt Allen and them ran a store. They
sure did. 'Cause Uly built a store right there adjoined to
the house as something for her to do, and he helped her. Yeah, she ran a
store for awhile but she got so old, he had to do away with it. Yeah,
she ran a store. See people'd come to have their cars fixed,
and he could see to make a business.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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Right.
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Buy loaves of bread and drinks and popcorn and ice cream and all of that.
And when he'd work on the cars they'd go in the
store, you know, and get something or another—refreshments.
Yeah, they ran a little store, it wasn't a large one. Kind of
a small place. Something like these little places we got around here.
I'm trying to remember about the other black businesses, if I
can remember. Manning was so small. I don't remember no
store, no dry good stores, I mean. Clothing stores—I
don't remember any of those. I know we did have a black
doctor, Dr. Brown. Of course you know, you had more than one white one.
But I remember him. He was the only black doctor there. And Stella
White's father—I don't know what he
was. I don't know whether he ran a printing shop. If he did,
it had something to do with the Household of Ruth, that's
something for women. That's a old organization for
women—Household of Ruth. He had something to do with
that.
- BEVERLY JONES:
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Was it a type of what?
- ANNIE MACK BARBEE:
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Something like the Masons and Elks, something on that order.
It's the oldest one I can remember, the household Now
that's the oldest—all these others came up later.
I can remember that Household of Ruth when I was a child. And
it's still active. It's active here in Durham. I
don't know how strong it is, but it's still
active.