Employer fights to withhold compensation for brown lung sufferer
Cline remembers the impact of his worsening health on his work and his struggle to win compensation from his employer. His drive to "get ahead" propelled him through a variety of jobs in a textile mill, including doffing, weaving, and hauling cotton filling. He performed these tasks as World War II broke out, and as fiberglass, asbestos, and heavy smoking took a toll on his health. Trouble breathing forced him out of the mill, and when his owners resisted his efforts to secure compensation, he sued. Cline recalls his employer's effort to discredit his case—Cline had brown lung, but company doctors said otherwise—and reflects on the way corporations treat their employees.
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Oral History Interview with Paul Edward Cline, November 8, 1979. Interview H-0239. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- PAUL CLINE:
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My name is Paul Edward Cline. I'm fifty-eight years old. I went to work
in a mill with J. P. Stevens in 1938, sweeping. I swept two small weave
rooms, upstairs and downstairs. That was my job, to keep the floors
clean. Well, I rocked on and I was making $8.10 a week.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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What mill was this?
- PAUL CLINE:
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That's Slater, South Carolina. That's one of J. P. Stevens' mills now,
but it belonged to the Carter boys that bought it out. It merged with J.
P. Stevens later on. Married Nick Carter. It was a filament, run
filament then.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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What was that used for?
- PAUL CLINE:
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They made dress goods, all kinds of fancy goods. After fill order on
that, they would get order on cotton. They'd run cotton, they'd fill
order on that. Then they'd run anything they could get. Then the
government come in and give them a government order, and they put cotton
back on. I was always looking to try and get ahead and get a better job.
Just young, kept my eyes and ears open. Doffing cloth paid a nickel more
a hour, so I got a job a-doffing cloth and made a nickel more a hour.
It's been so long, I forgot what I was making a hour, but you can count
it up, it's not very much a hour. Then I hauled filling a while. The
jobs wasn't stretched out like they are now. I kept watching people how
to start up looms, when I got caught up. I always tried to learn
something more. I got wanting to weave. I'd run these women's looms
while they was going to eat their lunch, or go to the bathroom. They got
to watching me. I guess the war was coming on. They was going to have to
have some help, so that might a speeded me up getting a job weaving as I
did because they started drafting people in the army right after that.
In 1940, I went to weaving on the third shift. They had spun rayon on
then, take that off and put the filament back on. We got in the war
after Pearl Harbor. When I heard of Pearl Harbor, I
was going to work on Sunday night. As I went out the door, everybody
standing around, I thought something was wrong. Just talking, and I
said, "What's going on?" I thought somebody died, and
they was. A bunch of our boys died over in Pearl Harbor. My supervisor,
Mr. Sartain, he's dead now, I never will forget it, he said,
"The Japanese is bombed Pearl Harbor," and I said,
"Where in the devil is Pearl Harbor?" I knew, but it
just come to me then I forgot it because we studied it in school. I knew
it was in Hawaii-Pearl Harbor. But I just couldn't sink in. He
says, "Over in Hawaii." So it rocked along there till
they drafted me.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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Which mill were you working in then?
- PAUL CLINE:
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At Slater's. I went on through the war two years, come back, went back to
work at Slater. I worked there with. . . . they started putting cotton
on a while, different other stuff-whatever the market was
doing. They said the market was so changeable, they'd run anything they
could get. Well, they started putting fiberglass on. We all had to learn
over. You couldn't tie a end on that, you had to glue it. We had to
learn all over how to weave with that. During that time, they put
asbestos on my job, three or four looms at a time with the fiberglas.
They told us that was to make the uniforms for the steel mill people
that works close to the furnaces.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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Who owned the company at that time?
- PAUL CLINE:
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J. P. Stevens, I believe, had it after the war. They bought it out. After
I come back, somewhere in late '46, they done bought it out. They didn't
tell me about the hazards of cotton dust or fiberglas, but anybody with
common sense knows fiberglas is worse than anything. It'd get on your
clothes and you couldn't get it out. It's on your skin, it just stick.
Then the asbestos with the fiberglas and all that, about fifteen years
ago, I started having smothering spells. I went to the company
doctor and he said it was my nerves. He introduced
me to the valium tablets; that's the first time I ever heard of them.
That's a common thing now. They helped me to sleep and it felt pretty
good, but went back in there, I was exposing myself to the same thing.
I'd still smother. I'd go back to him, I say, "That ain't doing
me no good." He give me a TB test. He didn't find no TB, he
said, "You got emphysema." I said, "What in
the devil is that?" The first time I ever heard of emphysema is
when it come out in the Reader's Digest. People didn't
know what emphysema was. I said, "What causes it?" He
said he didn't know what caused it. I asked him, I said, "Is it
cause of me working in that mill?" "No, no."
If he'd of said that, I would a got out. I don't know whether he knew or
not. But if he'd a said by working in the mill caused me to have
emphysema, I'd a got out then. But he didn't know. He said,
"No, that don't cause it." He said,
cigarettes-he told me to quit smoking. Course, I didn't do
it.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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Were you a pretty heavy smoker?
- PAUL CLINE:
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No, I wasn't too bad. I smoke maybe a pack a day sometimes. A lot of
times I wouldn't do that because I'd work. When I worked, I didn't smoke
because we had to split the smoke in the mill. I'd always take pride in
my job; I wanted to run them looms. I didn't have time to smoke. I'd get
it off my mind. I'd smoke when I'd go out.
It kept rocking along. I left Slater and went to Dunean. I worked there
about three months. I got another job on the first shift-I was
on the third shift at Dunean-I got a friend of mine was
superintendent at Brandon Duck Mill. He give me a first shift job. I
worked six weeks in that plant and couldn't make no money. I cut my pay.
The old job I run, I had a different kind of loom, they call a Hunt
loom-this fella Hunt down here made a loom, his own-
bought him out. It's a pretty good loom, but
they just couldn't keep parts for it. It just didn't pay as much
as Stevens.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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When was this that you were moving around like this?
- PAUL CLINE:
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That was during in 60's. I went to Moneghan after I left Brandon Duck
Mill. I worked there about on up till I retired in '77. I just got to
where I went to my doctor after I moved from the country down here. Was
living up at Travelers Rest, and Dr. Lipston, I went to him, he told me,
"I don't want you to go back in that mill because it's killing
you. It's going to kill you." I said, "You give me a
leave of absence." So I took my leave of absence over there,
but it made them mad. What they wanted to do, they wanted to fire me. If
I hadn't give them a leave of absence, been under a doctor's care, they
would have fired me. Anything pertaining, if you're injured or not able
to work, they want to get rid of you because they don't want nobody
around sickly like that. They're not going to take care of nobody like
that, and they the one that done it. So they couldn't fire me because I
didn't never go back. I get a new leave of absence for six months and I
drawed my insurance, seventy-five dollars a week for six months. That's
all I drawed, that's all the insurance I had. When that was all, I had
nothing coming in. J. P. Stevens ain't going to pay your bills if you
don't work for them. So I went and put in for my social security. I had
to go to court to get that. Had four doctors said I was disabled and
they still had to have a hearing on me. Because you see, it was on the
inside of me, my lungs and all. I tell them, I says, "I can't
breathe and can't work." They'd look at me like I was a fool,
trying to get something for nothing. I had to go to court to get it. I
got my social security started and my veterans started. I still wasn't
getting any better.
Kept rocking along there, my wife called the Lung Association. They
referred us to the Brown Lung Association. That's the first time I've
ever heard of the Brown Lung Association. I went to have a screening
clinic that day. I went over there and blowed through
that spirometer and I didn't have but fifty-seven per cent breathing
capacity. My wife, she used to work with Mr. Clark there, she knew him,
so we joined it. Seeing what good work they was doing, and we just
joined it and went around to see what they was doing. Since they was
doing good work and checking people's breathing and getting people aware
of what kinds of hazards they been a-working in and what they'd been
exposed to all these years. There's nobody told them nothing about it,
and the Brown Lung brought it out in the open. It started in 1975 in
Columbia. It got five chapters in South Carolina and seven chapters in
North Carolina. They started some new chapters in Virginia and some in
Georgia.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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What was the result of your particular case after you had had the lung
test?
- PAUL CLINE:
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I got to talking to staff worker. She referred me
to a lawyer-Don Morehead. I went over there, he said,
"Sure, you've got a case, of course, we've had some laws
changed in South Carolina. "-Workmen's Compensation
Law. Brown Lung had some influence to do it, I don't say they done it by
theirself. They kept putting pressure on them and they done away with
the medical panels there in Columbia. Used to, if you had a lawyer that
wanted Workmen's Compensation, you go over to the medical panel. There
would be one doctor, one commissioner for you, one for the company, one
for the insurance company. It's no way possible you had a chance to win.
A lawyer couldn't even cross-examine a doctor, but all that's changed
now. That's the reason my case went through. It rocked long, and I had a
deposition about it. I told them how I got brown lung. I went to Dr.
Plumber at Emory University, my wife both, cost us five hundred dollars.
We had to pay that out of our pocket. It should've been come out of the
company's pocket. They should of had to pay it. The burden of proof's on
us to prove that we sick, and we're already sick. You don't have to do
that, you can do that by just looking at us with our
breathing. The burden of proof's on us, but it should be on the mill.
They should have to foot the bill for examinations. The Liberty Mutual
after that, three weeks later, they sent me to Dr. Harris, their doctor.
I never did have no better examination, no harder examination when I
went in service. I told him, "There's no need to check my knees
and feet and everything. Right up here is what the matter with my
lung." See, they trying to find something else wrong with you
so they could lay it on that. They didn't want to come up and say you
had byssinosis. I couldn't get him to admit that. But this other doctor
done had it. I told him, "Dr. Harris, a specialist down at
Emory University-that's a famous university-he said
I had byssinosis number 3" and he couldn't even find out the
asbestos in my lung. "After fifteen years, you say that stuff's
out in three weeks?" His mouth flew open, the nurse's mouth
flew open. He said, "I'll tell you what I'll do, Mr. Cline. I'm
going to have somebody else to read them x-rays." That caught
him right there, he was the expert. He supposed to been a expert on
that. I just called his hand. The man that tell me asbestos been in my
lungs fifteen years, and three weeks ago it was still in there, and he
said it was out in three weeks. I said, "I hope you're right. I
hope there ain't nothing wrong in there." But see, he was
company doctor. There's no way in the world he would give me a good
recommendation or a good report because they don't pay him for that.
They pay him to find out things besides byssinosis. If you had a broke
toe or anything like that, he might put that down, or a tumor on the
brain or something. He'd be glad to put that down.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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How did that all turn out?
- PAUL CLINE:
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I didn't even look at the . . . He said I did have a bad breathing
problem. I said, "I could have told you that before I come up
here." They run me through the whole rigomorole of stuff. What
they done is try to get the blood out of my arteries. Both of them blue
and black. They like to never found them veins in
there. They had to go get an old intern from the hospital. Some of the
people in our association, women, these ladies, they have to go to bed
to take an examination. They do everything they can to try to discourage
you to go through all that stuff. People's already sick and old and
nervous and to have to go through something like that is a shame and a
disgrace. A big corporation, as much money as they have and as loyal
workers as we was to the company that they treat them . . . When we come
from the farm-I told you we farmed before we went-we
had an old mule one time. It got old and got to where it couldn't pull a
plow good. So my neighbor says, "Why don't you send him to the
glue factory." My daddy said, "That mule has made us a
living for several years. I'm going turn him out in the pasture and let
him live the rest of his life in peace." That's better than the
mill do, they'll turn you out with nothing. They don't even think that
you're worth, think you're like cattle. They'll turn you out with
nothing, won't take care of you. There's lot of people don't even have a
pension. They just started this pension here a few years back. The only
reason they done that to keep the union away from them. But one of these
days, they going to reap what they sow. Their past sins is finding them
out because they're cleaning the water houses and the canteens up better
than what they used to be. They used to be so nasty you couldn't get in
there. They got them all spic and span. Then, if you got a birthday
coming around, bunch of them in the same month, they'd give you a little
cup of coffee and a little cake with a candle on it, and the second
hands sing "Happy Birthday" to you. Instead of giving
you money in your paycheck and giving you some Workmen's Compensation
when you're sick, they do something like that. They pat you on the back
as long as you're able to work, when you ain't able to work, they kick
you out. That's a fact. It's been that way ever since there's been a
cotton mill. If you don't produce, you don't stay in there. All the
people that I know and everybody that you can find
out is loyal to a company-stand up for them. But whenever you
want them to stand up for you, they're not around. We got people running
around here with J. P. Stevens stickers on, "Stand up for
Stevens." I got news for them people, I stood up with them for
nearly forty years and look what I got-case of byssinosis and
twenty-two dollars a month.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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Did you get a settlement out of that?
- PAUL CLINE:
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I got a settlement out of that. I settled out of court. But I didn't know
how long I'd live because they'd keep putting it off. Another thing that
the Brown Lung is trying to do is speed up the cases because people is
dying. We had two people to die here in the last three or four weeks in
our association down in Columbia. All the money in the world won't bring
my lungs back. My lungs are just about gone. I don't know how long I'll
live, nobody knows how long they'll live far as that goes, but the
future generation down the line is what we want to do. I got people
coming in there, grandson, and other people got people going to work.
That's honest work. Mill work's all right. I've been proud to be a mill
worker, but I didn't know that they's doing us that way. I was loyal to
them, worked overtime for them, but when I got disabled, they wanted to
kick me out with no pension, nothing. I was just lucky to get that
twenty-two dollars a month. They didn't tell me it was a hazard to my
health. I don't want the future generation to come up with something
like this. I'd heap rather buy clothes here made in America, than go
over here to Korea, China, or Japan. I don't want to see nobody lose
their job, but they create their own unemployment. They'll go overseas
and buy this high speed machinery and put in these mills. The people are
getting old, and these machines are speeded up and used. They'll cut
out, and if you can't run them, they'll lay you off and try to get some
new people in there. They're going to get sick on down the road just
like us if they don't clean them up. They'll lay off
a bunch of people that ain't able. After you get a little bit of age on
you, you slow down.
When I went to work, they had a "E" Model loom. They
advanced to XD's and XK's and things, more speeded up, more advanced.
That's good, I like to see people and technology advance. They went to
the moon, I's glad they could do that, but the company says it can't
clean up because it's too much. But we got a chart here. In 1978, it
cost 4.2 million dollars for people to be out of work, disabled. That's
in 1978, that's what cost the tax payers. That should be the mill's
duty. They'll tell you, there's a lot of people in the association, when
they get to where they can't work, can't hold a job, they'll say,
"Why don't you quit and get on social security?" See,
they don't have to foot that bill. They take that out of your ticket.
They'll get you on social security. You're expendable, see. The machine
is worth more than you are.
- ALLEN TULLOS:
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You think it's been that way?
- PAUL CLINE:
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Been that way ever since there's been a mill been built. On down the
line, as my father worked in the mill.