The Central Labor Union's control over its membership
Robertson reveals some of the workings of organized labor in western North Carolina. Despite the relatively recent (at the time of the interview) advent of a big building program, western North Carolina managed to establish responsive rank-and-file union leadership and, it seems, a powerful central body, the Central Labor Union. She illustrates its influence by recalling how its leader quashed one union's effort to issue an independent endorsement in the 1968 presidential election.
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Oral History Interview with Mary Robertson, August 13, 1979. Interview H-0288. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- JACQUELYN HALL:
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My understanding is that the Asheville area has been one of the strongest
centers of the labor movement in the state, or was historically.
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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It is now. Now how far back that strength goes, I would hesitate to say,
because of course it was based on the craft unions. And the craft unions
are as strong as their trade is strong. In other words, if
there's a big building program, then you've got a
big craft union building trades movement. If there
is not a big building program--and there was not in the Asheville area,
the western counties, for a long time--then you don't have
this. Until about fifteen or at the most twenty years ago, the only two
major industries in western North Carolina were the paper manufacturing
process out in Haywood County and the Enka synthetic textile plant here
in Buncombe County. Let's give it the edge and say in the
last two decades, western North Carolina, particularly around Haywood
County and Buncombe County, has developed a very diversified industrial
complex. And a good deal of it is organized, particularly in Haywood
County, where all of the major industry is organized. Haywood County has
its own Central Labor Union; the rest of the counties are in this
central labor union. There is some very
responsive rank-and-file leadership in western North Carolina. That has
something to do with it. Amazingly enough, a city like Charlotte, that
has so much industry and numerically such a strong labor movement, does
not have as cohesive a central labor union in some respects as we have
here. That doesn't mean that workers are not concerned with
the labor movement; it just means that the structure doesn't
work that way. Now why I don't know, except that we do have
some well developed rank-and-file leadership in western North
Carolina.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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What exactly is the role of the Central Labor Union?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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The Central Labor Union is just an avenue for bringing together
representatives of all of the local unions in a given geographical area
so that those issues that concern all local unions can be acted upon and
information disseminated from a central body. In some respects
it's a somewhat cumbersome, awkward structure, not by its
nature so much as by the way it is used. George Meany has no
authoritative word to say to an international union or any of its
locals. He can advise, he can suggest, but he has
no authority with any international union or any of its locals. His
authority is strictly confined to central labor unions and state
organizations. At the time of the George McGovern campaign, when George
Meany and the national AF of L Congress and the national AF of L-CIO
Executive Board supported Richard Nixon, and a few dissenters--the
Meatcutters would be one of the internationals, and so forth--supported
McGovern, George Meany suddenly found that he didn't have the
control he wanted to have. Because he had at least two state presidents
who defied him and just supported McGovern. One was Wilbur Hobby, and
one was the Colorado state organization. And he had a number of central
labor unions, the (as it was called then) Asheville Central Labor Union
being one of them, who defied him and came out in support of McGovern.
And he quickly quashed that, but in the next national AF of L-CIO
convention he strengthened the bylaws and the constitution so that he
would not have any mavericks in the future. And he wields absolute
control over central labor unions and state organizations.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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How did he quash that?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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In the case of the Asheville Central Labor Union, he sent a letter saying
"You will retract that statement from the
newspaper."
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Or else what?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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Or I'll lift your charter. And he did the same thing to
Wilbur. In other words, in order to have any flexibility at all, you
have to be pretty fast on your feet sometimes in the central labor
unions.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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How much autonomy do you have on local or state issues?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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It depends on what the national organization wants to take up, and
obviously they're going to leave you alone if
you're not interfering in their playhouse. So the way you
operate is to stay out of their playhouse. On a political level--and
that's the only real reason for the existence of state and
national and central labor union organizations is politics, in the end--
you make sure that you're not
infringing in the territory that belongs to the national organization.
And the national organization's territory covers national
politics and its presidential and congressional races. Now a state
committee has the right to decide who they will support for Congress.
But if the National Executive Board of the AF of L-CIO says that we are
going to support Candidate B for President, then the only thing the
state organization can do if it does not like that choice is just to
quietly do nothing if they can get away with it. This is just the way it
is structured. Otherwise, what's the use of having George
Meany? What's the use of having a national organization if
you have no control? You see what I'm…
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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What are some of the main issues that the Central Labor Union has been
involved in over the years?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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This Central Labor Union has been involved to the hilt in politics,
certainly ever since I've been a delegate, the last ten or
twelve years, and without question has more political clout than any
other Central Labor Organization in the state, and to some degree has
more clout than the state office. That's partly because
we've been involved for a long time, and it's
partly because, if I may frankly say so, we have developed strategies
that work. And, of course, it is largely because we have a membership
that is politically involved, not as much as we'd like them
to be …
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- MARY ROBERTSON:
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There are no delegates who are not actively involved in politics, and
there are very few who are not officers in their precinct or in their
county structure.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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How would you describe the strategies that you've developed
that made this possible?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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I'd have to talk in specifics, and, of course, I
don't want to talk in current specifics
[Laughter] , because I'm not giving that
information away.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Historically.
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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We have made it evident to politicians that we do indeed speak for a
large number of workers, that we do indeed have their ear, and we have
been very, very careful in the way we have selected candidates or
whether we've selected them or not. In other words,
we've been very careful. We have not just simply jumped out
there and said, "Yes, we're going to support
Candidate X." We have sat down with the Pope(
)Committee, the legislative representatives within
our own organization, and tried to look at the situation and plan on a
long-range basis. One of our strategies has been that we have not
insisted or demanded that a politician should support us in a
hundred-percent fashion. We have been glad to recognize when they have
supported us, but we have not condemned them if they didn't.
That and a few particular maneuvers that we have made, and one other
thing, and that is that we have seen to it that we have one of our
people on every important board, agency, in these western counties.
There isn't a poverty agency where we are not represented and
actively, vocally represented. The United Appeal, the Red Cross, all of
these things, and we have active, vocal representation, and that has
given us the appearance, at least, of being well informed,
knowledgeable, articulate, and concerned. And one of our strategies has
been to be concerned in community areas, even though they may not be
directly related to the labor movement, like the poverty programs, which
has given us a position of respect among blacks and among the rural
poor, who know very little about the labor movement, but they learn
fast. And what they learn is, the people who are
conducting that strike or who are organizing that plant are the same
people who went before the city council and complained because they were
going up on the cab fares or the bus fare, or went before some other
board or agency and said, "We want money to be used for this or
that, or for Head Start programs." And that has been part of
our strategy, and it has paid off beautifully.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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How many people would you say that you do represent?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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We like to say that we represent a potential of 50,000 people.
Numerically it fluctuates so much that it's just not
realistic to try to say how many we represent. We have everything from
the textile plants to the small six-, seven-man operations into the
craft unions where you have individual carpenters and so forth. And the
industry in the area is far more diversified than it once was. We have
plants who manufacture components for radio and television; we have
plants who work with the furniture trade--I'm talking about
organized plants--in our jurisdiction who have delegates in our hall.
The glass plant out here, the Baby Boom people,
the A & P stores, the leather people, the rubber people, the
paper makers, all of these different industries. We even have the motion
picture operators. A small group, but they're there.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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How many counties?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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Sixteen counties. We have all the western counties in North Carolina
except Haywood County. Haywood County has its own Central Labor
Union.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Why is that?
- MARY ROBERTSON:
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It has a lot of industry, and all that industry is organized. And at some
time in the past before my time, it was given jurisdiction within its
own county. The national office--in the end, George Meany--decides what
jurisdiction you have. We have an awfully
large geographical area, but, you see, it doesn't have a
large population, because most of the counties west of us have very
little industry; they also have a very low population. Most of the major
industry is in Buncombe, Transylvania, and Henderson Counties in our
jurisdiction, and Buncombe, Transylvania, and Henderson are our big
areas where we have heavy concentrations. I'm talking about
where we have organized plants. But the nature of the economy of the
mountains is such that a good many people cross two, even three counties
going to work every day, so you see we have people who live in all of
those counties.