Roads offer residents routes out of Rowan County, hurting local business
Shuping describes the growth of Rowan County, including the advent of good roads, which he blames for the decline of the mill economy. After the arrival of roads, and cars to drive them on, town businesses usurped the role of Shuping's mill, which used to provide a variety of services.
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Oral History Interview with Orlin P. Shuping, June 15, 1975. Interview H-0290. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- BRENT GLASS:
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They also brought cotton here, right? There'd be ginnedand
baled.
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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Yes, and then hauled to the cotton mill, the ones were bought in this
area.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Why didn't they take it straight over to the mill?
Wouldn't they do it over there?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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No, they didn't do that. One or two of the mills did, but
nmost of them didn't. We used to have
ten or twelve, maybe fifteen gins, in this particular county. I think
we've got maybe one or two, maybe two now. We got much more
population and nobody raises cotton. So that makes a difference. Our
part of the cuntry is right much industrialized, the help is. Farming is
all done with tractors where it used to be horses and mules.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Have you seen the farmers go through some pretty hard times?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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I have, yes. Especially in 1913 right before World War I. They
couldn't sell their cotton. Woodrow Wilson was president.
They had a theme up for going around, "Buy a bale of
cotton," that would help the cotton farmer. You
couldn't ever sell the cotton; there was no market. As soon
as France and Germany and England got into World War I, it made a market
for it. Then 1917, April 6 or something like that, the United States
declared war on Germany. Then everything moved along to 1921. We had
another depression like we had a few months ago, or maybe worse. It
lasted about a year. It was really bad.
- BRENT GLASS:
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How did your's or your father's business go? Did it
fluctuate?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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Oh, yes.
- BRENT GLASS:
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With how successful the farmers were doing?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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Yes, and generally the nation. People buy more when they've
got money. That was before the automobile ages. I used to make wagon
belts. I run a little shop
- BRENT GLASS:
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Where was that?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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When I was a young fellow. That was just some of the things you did. I
was just a young fellow and have us a little time and build a wagon bed
for a farmer or quilt frames for the ladies. Anything to make money.
Like these fellows in the city. They'll set a lot of
didfferent things in order to make money.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Would you say that this was a pretty successful business, the milling
business?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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It was until the good roads came. My father was awful strong for good
roads. When we got good roads and automobiles the business quit.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Why was that?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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They was going into town to get some work done on a tooth and had to go
to the bank or they had to go to the drugstore. There'd set a
bag of wheat in the car and do it all in one trip and there was nothing
here except the lumber and flour and corn meal.
- BRENT GLASS:
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You weren't selling drugs or other things.
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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A man going into Rockville or China Grove or any
little town could go to the blacksmith's shop, could go to
the drugstore or he could go to the doctor's office, tooth
dentist and maybe hardware. And it ruined it. The good roads and the
automobiles running there, we never did do as good. We had a poor living
all the years. Most of the mills were running or not running. Most of
them been tore down and this one happened to be one that's
standing. There's another one over here in the county.
Probably you know about it. It's on thewest side of
Salisbury. It's a brick building. It's like
this.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Goodwin's?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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No, I don't think it's Goodwin's.
- BRENT GLASS:
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We can talk about that later.
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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We lost one by fire years ago.
- BRENT GLASS:
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The good roads did in the cross-roads mill.
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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They ruined it. The first place is that the decision was wrong. Their
decision was to build the mill where the farmers was and the wheat. They
should have built it near at a railroad siding and a little town. At
that time, people went to the railroad to get on the train to go to the
county seat or wherenot. They had something to go for besides wheat. It
was the wrong place here and every other place. Of course, anybody
realized it twenty years too late.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Did you ever think of moving it?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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It wouldn't be practical. No, it would be very expensive then.
We tried to get electric power here in 1926 or '27 and they
wanted three thousand dol-dallars to hook us up. Well, three thousand
dollars then was a lot of money. It's fifteen or twenty
thousand now. We didn't have that kind of money. We were
still run on steam. But we bought wood. In other words, a man who owned
a bag of flour, a bag of feed, would bring a little wood.
We'd swap him flour or feed. Then we could burn the wood and
ground some more flour and maybe sell it to someone.
- BRENT GLASS:
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How late was this?
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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We did that almost up till 1932 or '33, maybe later than
that.
- BRENT GLASS:
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You did operate the saw mill until a few years ago.
- ORLIN P. SHUPING:
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Yes, but you see in 1934 we went into the sawmill which was much heavier
than lumber and then we got fuel. We quit running the flour mill in1942.
That way, the saw mill and planing mill furnished its own
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