Moving from the country to a city neighborhood
de-Heer talks about moving to Hopkins Street in Durham, North Carolina, after having spent her early childhood in Stagville. de-Heer explains how she was initially wary of leaving a rural area for the city, but quickly felt at home in the close-knit neighborhood. Throughout the interview, de-Heer stresses the importance of community; her comments here are indicative of how her neighborhood experiences were particularly formative in developing her ideas about the role of the community later in life.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with Julia Peaks de-Heer, January 8, 1999. Interview K-0146. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- JILL HEMMING:
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And your family. Tell me a little bit about them.
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Yes. My parents, actually my parents J. C. and Mary Peaks—my
mother's maiden name was Hafkins—and she married
my father. We lived in a place when I was younger called Stagville. That
is in the county of Durham. We lived in a log cabin. And my father,
around the 40s, I was very young, but I remember my
father and mother working in tobacco. And we would come home in the
evening and my father—while he would wash up and we would
play, my mother prepared dinner. And I loved that. Then the big move
came. My father had gotten a job with the Nello Teer, it's a
construction company. He was working with the water pipe line, which he
worked with that company for about thirty-five years. Anyway, when we
moved this broke up the family unit. We moved to Hopkins Street, 728
Hopkins Street. It was like moving from the country to the city. That
was kind of hard on me, hard for me to accept, moving to the city
because I was used to the openness—you know—like
the grass and the trees and being outside and running, and just running
and playing. And playing in the creeks. I loved the outside so when we
moved to the city it was devastating to me. Because I said, "Oh
no." But fortunately, my grandmother still lived I the country
so in the summer I could go back to the country. And I always did that.
But after a while I got used to living on Hopkins Street. My mother
tried to make it as pleasant as possible. And she played little games
with us, with me and my sisters and brothers to try to keep the fun
thing. But nothing took the place of the country for me. I'll
never forget that. I'm one of the ones that say,
"You can take a girl out of the country, but you
can't take the country out of the girl." And
that's me. I've traveled a lot, extensively. I
lived in New York. I lived in Maryland. I lived in Canada. But all
that—I decided to come back home. But back to Hopkins Street.
It was nice. It was nice there because it was like a family. Everyone.
Once we got to know, once I could relax and say, "Hey,
I've got to make the best of this. This is where we are going
to be." And my mother explained to me that my father had a job,
a better opportunity and we took it. So we lived there. I said,
"Well, okay."
- JILL HEMMING:
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What were the circumstances of the farming that your parents did around
Stagville? Was that family owned land, or—
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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No, it was working with the people. Working for someone else as a tobacco
hand or something like this. So when he got this other job it was more
money, making more money and we would have other things. But
I'm a child. I didn't understand this. I just knew
it was nothing like it was at that time. But after they explained this
to me, I said, "Oh, okay." You know, "You
remember the little doll that you wanted, now we can get some of the
things that you want." I said, "Okay, so this is
better." I started looking at Hopkins Street a little closer
then. I began to feel the people out and the children.
- JILL HEMMING:
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How old were you then?
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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I was eight years old when I moved.
- JILL HEMMING:
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And your parents bought the house? Or did they rent to own?
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Rent to own the house. Yes. I just ran from one end of the street to the
other. Just ran. I'll never forget that. I guess, I
don't know why. I think it was to let people know that, hey,
I'm here in this new place.
[Laughter]
But finally we got to meet the people. And next door to where we
lived was a very old lady. She was sweet as she could be. Mother White.
We used to call her Mother White. She was really old. Her hair was gray.
She reminded me of Cecily Tyson, that picture she played. Her little
white hair and stuff. She kept everybody in the neighborhood in order.
That was the mother of the neighborhood. I used to visit her. I always
loved to listen to older people talk. Always. I could just like lay on
the porch and just listen to them talk. I always was a stickler for
history.
- JILL HEMMING:
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How many older people were there in the neighborhood at that time.
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Oh, we had Mother White. We had Miss Holloway, Mr. and Mrs. Calhoun. One,
two, three, four, five, six—eight that I can remember. And
the others were married couples with children. And we got to meet, I got
to meet the children. It was—we became a family. You know,
like a family. We played together. It was nice and clean. Grass. And if
one person didn't have grass one of the neighbors would come
over and say, "Well, here, you can do this." Talk to
my father and show him what to do to get grass in our yard. In the back
we had a garden, so part of the country did dome with us.
[Laughter]
And I was happy for that. And we helped, you know,
you'd see the people helping each other. If one
didn't have something, two or three would go over, like
sharing. A community together. It was a bond. It became a bond. And we
were safe. We could play in the street. We didn't have to
worry about the cars flying down the street. It was a—you
know—now that I think about it as I am talking about it, it
was a respect for one another. That's what it really was. A
respect and appreciation. Really a love for one another that the people
had when I was a child. It wasn't that I have it and you
don't. I have it so let's share. I know how to do
this so we're going to help our neighbors. We're
going to show our neighbors. And this is what on Hopkins Street I was
brought up around. People helping people.