Describing neighborhood decline
de-Heer describes how the Hopkins Street neighborhood in Durham, North Carolina, had steadily declined over the years, particularly when some of the homes were converted into boarding houses. Her comments offer a descriptive foundation for her discussions later in the interview about her efforts to improve the community in later years.
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Oral History Interview with Julia Peaks de-Heer, January 8, 1999. Interview K-0146. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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At that time Mrs. McCollough bought his house.
And she just used that as a boarding house. That how the boarding
houses, you know, like people started moving into because she started
boarding. And other properties, if nobody moved in or—she
bought another house next door and used as a boarding house. So, then,
this is how people different started coming in also. Other people
started to come in.
- JILL HEMMING:
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How did your family respond initially to these new neighbors who were in
boarding houses?
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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You know skeptical. At first it wasn't accepted. It was a
question—where are they coming from? Are things going to be
the same? What kinds of changes—and she assured
that—it's going to be fine. The people and this
and that and the other. So, trusting as we were at the
time—okay, what can it hurt? We'll just would
love, we would do this and that and maybe things would be all right. But
after, I'd say about a few years, then we began to see that
it was about the money. The people wasn't being screened as
you say that they were. It was just economic—I want this,
greed set in on that side. And it was something to have to see. You
know, to have all of this going—and there's always
one in the camp. It's always one in the camp and you try. You
don't want it to be or you don't want to accept
that its somebody in the camp that is going to sell you out. But it
happened. It happened and it was behind money.
We still stood our ground then. And gradually some of the relatives of
the people that were rooming started to come in and then we started to
see little alcohol, little changes, like the drinking and the fighting
and this is totally different than what it was. Where did all the love
go all of a sudden? Things just started gradually turning over. Like
changes, changes. But even though the changes came, it was like on the
weekend people would just let go. They'd go out and drinking,
and do their little thing. It wasn't to the point that people
were—people yet held their jobs, and yet respected the
neighborhood enough. It wasn't like an all day, every day
thing. People didn't do that then because people believed in
working and keeping like the yards and everything good.
That's the way it was. That's just what I
remember. So even with that change then, it wasn't as
traumatic, as dramatic as it is today like with the people standing out
there from the time, I guess, they get up until the time that you go to
bed. Because sometime we might get out of church at 11:00, 11:30 and
people are still standing. Just standing. Nothing can be good of that.
Why are you just standing here? I know there is a place to work. They
have twenty-four hour places to work. It's something. With
standing over top of trash.
- JILL HEMMING:
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Your family moved in what year? And was there a final straw that pushed
you to do so?
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Well, after everyone left and then—they wanted my mother to
just leave because she was the only one that you know—just
move to another neighborhood until—. She stood. She stood.
She was determined that she was not going to move because her
roots—but after the girls and her siblings and my father
passed there. Had they passed, she would have let it go easier then.
After he passed—and she moved out here
in '90—my father passed in '89 and she
moved out here in '91. Was it '90 or
'91? About a year or two later after he passed.
- JILL HEMMING:
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So they moved in in about 1940?
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Yes, say about '40, '42 something like that,
'40.
- JILL HEMMING:
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Until 1991.
- JULIA PEAKS DE-HEER:
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Um-hum. '89, '89 he died, December 15th, 1989.