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But, to answer you question about the riots-that was um- we had no problems. You know, you see the things that were happening and I'd see the uh-I saw the white policemen pull people that were drunk-prop em up to the curb-people who'd broken in liquor stores and whatnot during the riots-prop em up on the thing and let em sober up. But, during the second riot-uh, my home in Los Angeles, is in the Baldwin Hills section it overlooks the city of Los Angeles. I could see the whole city and uh, I know when the Rodney King verdict came out, I got a call from Sacramento askin how I thought things were in the LA area and I told em and of course I immediately put my white staff-my janitorial staff-the white members of my janitorial staff-I had the supervisor to let them go home. I said, listen get em out-let em go because things may get a little rough later on and sure enough things did get rough. In fact, uh I had an appointment-an eye appointment that day and I was going out and I saw the other [unclear] - I saw the other people just leaving LA like the world was coming to an end. It was the streets and everything was jam packed. Like I said I turned back and had them to let the janitorial staff leave-but then, as I got home I could see fires breaking out all over the city. It looked like it was timed and was supposed to happen at a certain time. You see a fire here-a fire there-all over and-

KELLY ELAINE NAVIES:

It was not too far from your house where a lot of this was going on

RICHARD BOWMAN:

Oh no, the bank right down the street from me-on La Brea-in fact, I had planned on going there that next day and uh to go to [unclear] to get a check cashed and that clock-you talk about the grandfather clock-I had seen the clock in the store and I was hesitating on getting it because of the cost- I said I wanted it, but maybe I'll wait and get it later. The riots broke out-I went back out after the riots and the clock was gone, of course.