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What was it like in Victory Village? Did you have one of the houses? First were you in a house or an apartment?

GRACE AYCOCK:

We had what was called a U.K. house. They were built during the war for the United Kingdom. We were on Daniels Road, which was a dead end road. There were about sixteen houses, and residents were graduate students for the most part. There was an ROTC instructor and one government employee, but most of us were graduate student families.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

Did you make friendships with those people?

GRACE AYCOCK:

We were very close. It was a happy time. All of us were budgeting and counting pennies.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

Lots of children?

GRACE AYCOCK:

Not everyone had children. There were some wives who went to school. There were some who worked outside the home. There were others, like me, who were having babies or were full-time homemakers.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

Did Ida and Bill Friday live in Victory Village?

GRACE AYCOCK:

Yes, there were several families on our end of Daniels Road who stayed with the University after they finished schoolߞ Ida and Bill Friday, the Gordon Clevelands, the Chanletts, Eliska and Emil Chanlett, Bob and Martha McKee, Joe and Gen Hilton. We are still friends.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

Those are the kinds of friendships that really seal tight, I think, those that you make in graduate school, and sharing so much the same experience and pinching pennies. Did Dick Phillips and his first wife live in Victory Village when Dick was in Law School?

GRACE AYCOCK:

No, they lived nearer town, on Pittsboro Road, nearer than where we lived when we lived out there.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

There were other people in Bill's Law School class and in his study group, John Jordan.

GRACE AYCOCK:

John Jordan, Bill Dees. Bill Dees and Ozella lived in the Carolina Inn apartments.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

I don't know where he lived. It's not important.

GRACE AYCOCK:

I do not think John was married. I'm not sure.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

Maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was living on campus, Grace. I knew vaguely who he was in those days. What did you all do? What kind of social life was there other than seeing each other coming and going and being there? Did you all get together on Saturday nights and do things?

GRACE AYCOCK:

We did do some cooking outside at cookouts. All of us had friends in our particular schools where the men, and they were men for the most part, who were in graduate school were studying.

FRANCES A. WEAVER:

So you would do things like that when the men could take any time or would take any time.

GRACE AYCOCK:

Well, we had friends in other parts of the University, and we socialized with them also. I remember, Fran, so pleasantly, being outside with other mothers of small children who needed to be babysat, and we mended, we visited, we became close friends watching the children play outside.