Importance of African American education to Oxford's racial progress
Lyons discusses the importance of African American education in Oxford, North Carolina. Shortly following the end of the Civil War, white Canadian teachers began to teach the newly freed African Americans. Lyons's mother had been part of this initial group and earlier, Lyons had explained that education continued to be important in her family. According to Lyons, Oxford had always been "a forward-looking town" and she cites the high value placed on African American education as evidence of the town's progressive outlook.
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Oral History Interview with Lillian Taylor Lyons, September 11, 1994. Interview Q-0094. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- EDDIE McCOY:
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Could you explain to me why Canadians came to Oxford, how they got here.
Were they seminary people of the church? Were they affiliated with the
church?
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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I'm not quite clear, but they—there were several of
them in the area, because Miss—there was a Miss Hawkins who
was a white woman that was working at the black orphanage that was in
Oxford at the same time. And they were a part of the group of whites who
came south to teach the Negroes after slavery. There are several
institutions in different parts of the south. I am now connected with
Penn Center in Paris Island, South Carolina, that was operated by
Canadians who came south to work for Negroes, work in the Negro schools
and other various industries.
- EDDIE McCOY:
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What did the whites in this town thought about outsiders coming in
teaching? Were they staying in the white people's homes, or
were they staying in the black people's homes?
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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They stayed in white homes, I'm sure. Relations have always
been good in Oxford, all my life, between blacks and whites. They are at
the worst point now. I was just saying to—last week, at the
podiatrist's office, I ran into Mrs. Katherine
Royster—and I was saying to her that Oxford isn't,
from several standpoints, isn't the same as far as
relationships between Negroes and whites. They're not as good
as they were back fifteen or twenty years ago.
There's lots of prejudice in my town now, as far
as—not particularly living conditions. Of course, Negroes and
whites live in the same areas now. And there are Negroes that live in
$250,000 homes two blocks away from where I live now in
Oxford.
- EDDIE McCOY:
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Mrs. Lyons, I have done research in Oxford on schools, and there are
approximately sixty or seventy schools for blacks from the first to the
fifth, or from the first to the fourth or third grade. Therefore, I
think that each black back in the early 1900s did have the opportunity
to learn how to read and write. Can you explain to me why this county
was so dedicated in trying to educate their people?
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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Well, it was probably a attitude that developed way before my time or
your time, before each of us were born, and before our parents were
born, that there have always been good relations. All of my life,
Negroes and whites have always worked together. Negroes worked in white
people's homes. But they—they went to separate
schools, of course, but there's other ways been good
relationships.
It was just in the late years that such things as the, as the
Penn—I can't remember the name of the
relationships. But the tobacco factories and other industries developed
in Oxford, and Negroes and whites have always worked in the industries
in Oxford, the tobacco industry and carpentry work, electricians and
what-have-you. Oxford has always been a forward-looking town.
- EDDIE McCOY:
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Mrs. Lyons, I have looked into some history and how did this town attract
doctors like Dr. Bowie and doctors back in the early 1900s where other
communities in the south didn't have a black doctor before
the early '20s or '30s? We had black dentists and
four or five black doctors in this town in the early 1900s.
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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Well, I'm sure a lot of that was due to the fact that Dr. and
Mrs. Shaw, who were president, and the teachers who came
to—Dr. Shaw's wife came from Pennsylvania down
here to work. And there has always been [intermingling] and
relationships in education and industries in Oxford all of my life. The
industries have always existed in Oxford, even the tobacco industry,
because tobacco grew in the county. But other industries—now,
as of now, Revlon, the big cosmetic industry is one of the biggest
industries in Oxford, and there have always been good relationships
between Negroes and blacks. Of course, there was prejudice and it still
is. It's more prevalent now than it was a few years ago.
Can you tell me about the teachers that went to school and they finished
the eighth grade and they started teaching and some of them did a very
good job in these schools throughout the county? How was they picked? Or
why did they work so hard trying to educate in the community until they
could go to summer school and learn?
Well, getting a teacher's certificate—some
of—a lot of them who were in eighth grade and going away to
Shaw University and to Bennett College. There were always plenty of
teachers in Granville County because they were smart, intelligent, and
they had gotten good backgrounds in Oxford at Mary Potter and they went
to summer school at Shaw University, in Charlotte, and Bennett College,
summer school at A&T University.
- EDDIE McCOY:
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And North Carolina Central, too?
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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And North Carolina Central University that was started by Dr. James
Shepherd. And members of those families are still in education. And at
present time, we have black doctors and dentists here. We have blocks of
property that has entirely black industries and
all-Negro jobs, living and interested in them. The taxi industry, the
morticians, the carpenters, electricians—because they have
taken advantages of the colleges nearby, St. Augustine's and
Shaw University in Raleigh and Central University in Durham. Just last
year, a cousin of mine, Miss Minnie Lyon, who died at a hundred and four
years old—they had a missionary training department at Shaw
University and she went there for training. And some white rich people
in some part of New Jersey got interested in her and she went to Africa
and set up the school over there and she worked in Africa for more than
sixty years.
- EDDIE McCOY:
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Was Miss Minnie Lyons born in Oxford and reared in Oxford?
- LILLIAN TAYLOR LYONS:
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Yes, she was born—and she was my husband's cousin.
She was born up in the Berea community of Oxford, that's
north of Oxford about ten miles. It's the north of Oxford.
She was born there.
So, we have always had—Negroes—Oxford has always
been a very progressive town and Negroes worked hard, but they worked in
the factories and every place else they could get a job and they learned
all the trades. And it has grown to—even now, there are
streets in Oxford where only white people lived. Now you can buy a house
anywhere in Oxford. There are no restricted neighborhoods. You can buy a
house in any section or district in Oxford. All you need is the money to
pay for it.