Struggling with health and healing through faith
Moore insisted on maintaining a demanding work schedule even as he sickened from what he eventually found out was diabetes. As he lay in a hospital bed, he experienced a vision in which he rose from a coffin. "God ain't ready for me yet," he declares. A remarkable recovery followed, aided by a smart diet, although Moore lost his toes to gangrene and suffered a diabetic episode that caused him to fall and break his hip.
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Oral History Interview with John Thomas Moore, October 18, 2000. Interview R-0142. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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This is from Hillhaven. So you
worked at Hillhaven?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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Yes, sir!
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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Is that the place where you worked with all the seniors? Or did you work
in some other places, too?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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I worked some other places, too, but most of it was right there.
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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[Reading] "This certificate is
awarded to Mr. John T. Moore in recognition of participation in the
reality orientation training program. Hillhaven, Incorporated, Durham,
North Carolina." This is from September 27, 1973. It says you
did ten classroom hours. So this is when you were really getting some
training?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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Yeah, that's where I worked, got training, and everything. I
stayed right there at that Hillhaven South for seven years. I know you
know where Hillhaven South is—right over near Duke.
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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Before you started working with the elderly, what other sort of work had
you done?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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I was just doing home care, going and doing whatever needed to be done
for them, staying three or two hours. I had three patients. You had to
bathe the men and shave them, cut their toe nails and finger nails, fix
them something for lunch. Then you'd let them sign your paper
and go on to the next person. When you have three patients a day,
that's a lot of work. After you do three patients, then
you're tired. You go home and rest. Then I got ready to go to
church and got myself together for that. I didn't let nothing
worry me; I got along fine. Then I was working at Duke
Hospital—
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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Oh really?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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Yeah, I got sick—No, I was working at Hillhaven
[unclear] when I got sick at 47 years old. I
had a terrible attack hit me all me in chest, and didn't
nobody know what it was. I went to Duke (Hospital). (The doctors) said,
"Well, what we're going to have to do, Mr. Moore, is
bore a hole in your chest and take some of the
[unclear] out of there. I said, "Naw,
I'm not no hog to bore into and take that bit.
Y'all will never do that. Not going to experiment on
me!" I left Duke and went on about my business. [hitting the
table] That's exactly when I went to
Hillhaven Center, and worked there for a long time. I used to go to work
from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. Then they'd need somebody else, and
I'd just re-sign up and I'd work from 3 to 11 at
night. Then sometimes after I had worked through that, then
I'd still do the next shift. Working and working, it was a
little bit too much. Then I worked at Woolworth at lunchtime on the
lunch line—
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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Oh, you did? Did that come after Hillhaven or before?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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Yeah, I'd leave Hillhaven and go up to the
Woolworth's and rechange clothes, put on another white outfit
and work on the lunch line till 2 o'clock. Then
I'd come home, change uniforms again, and take care of one
patient. My aunt used to tell me, "You doing too much, boy. You
need to rest. I'd say, "I'll rest when
I'm in my grave." She said, "I know that,
but you need to rest now." She's still living. Bless
her heart, she's 94 years old, but she's not able
to get around. She's had two or three strokes in New York
with her daughter. She's the mother of our church. But I got
along fine. Then I got sick and they sent me to the doctor. I said,
"I'm going to Dr. Kenny Banks over there by
Lincoln." He checked me out and everything—oh, I
meant to bring that letter. When he found out—. I stayed in
the hospital. I believe it was '67 or '71, June
and July. I couldn't stand for nothing to touch my body, no
kind of heat or nothing.
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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This is when you were in the hospital.
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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I was in the hospital. I couldn't even stand in front of the
air conditioner. They just kept me there with the sheet on. I was sick
person, running temperatures and everything. [The doctor] came in there
one day and said, "I'm going to take your blood and
send it to Atlanta, Georgia, to be analyzed. They'll send it
back to me within the same day." He flew it there and they flew
it back. He came back and I was just laying there, resting. He came and
shook me, "Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore." I said,
"What is it, Doctor?" He said,
"Don't do that, don't do that,
don't do that. Don't sleep like that!
You're going to go into a coma. You're a
quanta-diabetic." I had sugar in my urine and in my blood. It
was just eating me up. They put me on insulin, 100 units a day and 20 at
night. I was laying there in the
hospital—and I want you to listen to this; a lot of people
don't believe this. [loudly, dramatically] I saw myself in
the casket in the church. [pause] I saw my
whole body in the church in the casket, and Mother Shaw's
daughter came in and began to look at me and began to pray. She said,
"Bishop Moore, you can't do this, you
can't go like this, you gotta come back." She began
to pray, and I saw myself just rising, just rising. I
rose out of the casket.
Then I woke up out of the sleep I was in. The doctor was just rolling and
shaking me. I said, "I'm all right. I'm
fine." "No, you wasn't. You was gone. We
didn't know what to do for you." [clapping his hands
lightly] I said, "I'm fine, I'm
fine," heart monitors all on me, shooting i.v.'s. I
said, "I'm am fine. Still here."
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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Thank God.
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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I'm still here. God ain't ready for me yet. My work
is not done. I'm still pastor, still going, still doing.
These people that live around here say, "You a miracle
man." I say, "Call me what you want; I'm
just an instrument for God, just a witness for him."
- CHRISTOPHER WEBER:
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That experience you had in the hospital, did that have a big affect on
your life after that?
- JOHN THOMAS MOORE:
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Yeah, I got stronger and more powerful for the Lord. I get well and they
didn't understand it. I told (the doctors),
"I'm going home." They said, "No,
you're not." I said, "I'm going
home." They thought I couldn't walk. I began to walk
around and visit people in the other wards. They said, "You got
to lay down." I said, "I cannot sit
down. I cannot. I cannot." I get weak sometimes, but the
strength of the Lord brings me through. Now I am not even taking no
insulin at all. He took me off of that. He took me off of the needle,
said, "You don't need it no more." I just
test my sugar every now and then. I don't never be more than
145, 150. It never gets way up. I eat like I ought to; I
don't eat a whole lot of food, like people think I ought to
eat. See, I don't eat that fried food and all that heavy
starch food. I eat a lot of fruits and stuff like that, light stuff, and
vegetables that will keep you going. You
don't have to eat a whole lot of meat. If I eat any type of
meat, it will be like turkey, fish, and chicken. All that other red meat
and stuff I don't bother with. It's not good for
you. Don't eat nobody's pork, no, no, no. And I
don't eat no whole of dairy food. The Lord just keeps me
going. I keeps myself going under the blood of Jesus.
I fell about four or five months ago. I went to the dialysis, and came
back and they said, "Mr. Moore, your auntie up there
sick" I said, "What in the world?" I stay
over at the dialysis four hours and a half. The people say it makes you
weak. I don't really get that weak. But I'll go
home and eat something, then I'll rest. So I rushed right on
upstairs. I thought she was sitting in the chair, but she was stretched
out right on the floor. I said, "I'm calling the
paramedics right now." I called them and they came. I said,
"You're going to the hospital." She said,
"No, I'll wait for my daughter." I said,
"Your daughter is coming in next month." I carried her
on to Duke. At Duke they said she was dehydrated, wouldn't
half eat, and everything was happening to her. They kept her. I said,
"Aunt Rose, I'm going home. I'll be back
Monday to see you. Was going to have service on Sunday." On
Monday I came on out there and sat down to wait for the cab. I said,
"Why doesn't my leg feel right?" I
stretched it out and walked a little bit. Then the cab came out. I could
just barely make it in the cab. I said, "What in the
world?" I kept moving my leg, had me a sandwich, and got home.
Put the sandwich on top of the table and was going to get me a glass of
Gatoraid. I got that and said, "Oh, I got to go to the
mailbox." [snapping] I got ready
to get up and go to the mailbox and my legs went limp like a dishrag. I
said, "What is this?" I got up again, and when I got
up I just fell on the floor. When I fell on the floor I broke my left
hip. I said, "Oh, God, I broke my left hip." It
didn't excite me; I didn't get upset or nothing.
So I crawled from the kitchen to the bedroom on my stomach; that was a
hard job. I rested and pulled and got the telephone. Called the
[unclear] and said, "Now I done
fell and broke my hip and I'm laying on the floor.
"Well, you lay real still, Mr. Moore." I
called my neighbor, and she came running around there. I
called Alicia to come and get me. They finally got me on the stretcher;
there was a board they had to put me on. I done all right till we got in
the emergency room and they put me on that cold, steel table. I said,
"Get me off of here." So they covered me up in a
blanket." The lady comes in and is taking my vital signs,
testing my temp, testing my blood pressure and my heart. I said,
"Look, y'all need to get me into X-Ray because my
hip is broke." She said, "We don't know
that." I said, "My hip is broke."
"We don't know that." "My hip is
broke." Finally the doctor come, and he got me from here across
the hall to the x-rays. Took the x-rays, and I heard the doctors
talking. [mimics doctors] Finally they come back. I say, "Can I
see my x-ray? My hip is broken." "Well, we can tell
you that it's broke, but we can't let you see it.
Your doctor will have to see it. This was on a Saturday. [The doctor]
came in and told me, "We're going to put you in the
room, but at nine o'clock we're going to have to
operate on you." They don't usually operate on
Saturday for nobody. They had to rush me there. They done that
operation, and in about three hours I came out. I said,
"I'm fine." They put a pin in there; I got
a steel pin in my hip. I couldn't hardly walk around or do
nothing. So they put me in the bed and give me the i.v. I started making
a prayer and talking to the Lord. (The Lord) said, "I think I
want you to move." So I moved. In the meantime, I had to go to
the [unclear] , because Dr. Daniel had cut
off all of my toes, on account of I was a diabetic. They turned black
like your bag. Gangrene had set in. First they took off on of the little
toes. I went about a year without anything happening. Then he went and
took an x-ray and (the doctor said my toes were) fractured at the bone.
I said, "How in the world? I hadn't hit nothing. I
hadn't dropped nothing on my toes. He said,
"It's just happened." In the meantime they
had to take me to the whirl pool and put me in the whirlpool.