Poor whites end up at desegregated schools, sparking tensions, but many whites support movement
Threatt describes the results of the combination of school desegregation, residential desegregation, and white flight: a concentration of poor whites at desegregated schools. Threatt remembers lots of fights, many of which he participated in as the self-anointed champion of the African American students in the gifted class. But Threatt also remembers some white people who supported the civil rights movement, calling their contribution "one of the greatest untold stories of the civil rights movement."
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Oral History Interview with Glennon Threatt, June 16, 2005. Interview U-0023. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Do you have memories of walking to school and walking past groups of
white kids?
- GLENNON THREATT:
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Oh yeah, we used to have walk battles with them. There was a line of
demarcation which was Graymont Avenue, because there also is a very
large housing project that's right across the street from Legion Field
called Elyton Village. When I was in fifth grade Elyton Village was all
white, so we used to have fights and organize rock battles with the
white kids from the projects. It was like a little demilitarized zone,
which was like Graymont Avenue almost like in Korea.
- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Or Israel.
- GLENNON THREATT:
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Yeah. The whites would stay on their side of Graymont Avenue and we
would stay on our side of Graymont Avenue. Then as we started to box
them in the private home owners were able to sell
their homes, but the white folks who lived in Elyton, because it was
public housing, it was a lot more difficult for them to move. What you
were left with were the poorest whites who were still going to Elyton,
because all of the whites that lived in private homes left. So you had a
lot of the children of black families who had tried to get their kids
into integrated schools and we were left in a school where most of the
white kids lived in a housing project. It was a bad mix of kids and
there were lots of fights and lots of racial related incidents in that
elementary school.
- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Would you like to tell me in more detail about some of the incidents?
- GLENNON THREATT:
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Sure. The first day that I was in Elyton School, one of the white kids
in the class called Deidre a nigger and pulled her hair. I got in a
fight with him; they suspended me from school. I had to stay home three
days. Came back to school, my parents talked to me and said,
"Listen, you have got to understand you cannot react that way.
You can't respond that way, because it's really important. What they are
trying to do is get you put out of school so that they can prove that
blacks can't behave properly. You have got to understand that there is
some social responsibility and you just have to bite your tongue and not
say anything, because it's really important that you stay in that
school." That was a very, very difficult thing to do because at
the time I was like ten years old. I just didn't do very well with
people getting up in my face and spitting at me and stuff like that, I
didn't take very well to that at all.
- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Did your parents talk about it in terms of non-violence or the movement?
- GLENNON THREATT:
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My father did, my father never told me to let anyone hit me. He never
told me to absorb punishment. He said don't hit anyone first. If
somebody hits you, you should definitely defend yourself. That's not
non-violent. I wouldn't have made it in non-violent
protests, and I never participated in any of them. I would not have been
able to let someone hit me. The spitting was one thing and that was bad
enough, but the hitting I wouldn't have been able to take that. But I
really couldn't take it when Deidre was physically attacked and I didn't
take that very well. The other guy, Richard Walker was kind of a pudgy
kid and he was very withdrawn and soft spoken and I was the more
aggressive of the three. Deidre wore glasses and had pig tails and she
was a very, very soft spoken girl-which is why it's so ironic
that she would end up being a homicide prosecutor. I was really the most
aggressive of the three and the more outspoken, and ended up kind of
being the spokesperson for the three of us. The other thing that was
weird about it is that the other students in the school didn't like us
anyway, because they referred to us as the gifted kids with a snide sort
of thing. Because we got stuff that they didn't get, we got to go on
field trips and we had audio visual aides and stuff like that that the
other students in the school didn't have. So there was an animosity
between the regular students in the school and our gifted class. The
other students passed classes, we didn't. We got to go to the youth
gymnasium by ourselves; we didn't have to share it with other students
in the school. We had access to the library all day long, and the other
students in the school didn't have that. We got to go on field trips and
have people from the symphony and stuff like that come down and interact
with us. I guess the other students were jealous and reasonably so,
because they saw us getting resources that they didn't have available to
them.
- KIMBERLY HILL:
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So, you had the threat of them not liking you anyway and then especially
because you are black, it would be double -
- GLENNON THREATT:
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Sure, sure. Then, because a lot of the white kids in the school were
poor. I mean, I remember white kids coming to that school with cardboard
in their shoes. It was the first time I had ever seen anybody eat a
mayonnaise sandwich. My parents weren't wealthy, but they were both
teachers. We owned our own home, we had two cars, we took vacations . .
. I didn't think about it at the time, but we had a lot more resources
then some of the white students in that school. So, there is always a
natural animosity because of that demographic difference. It was very,
very strange now that I think back on it. I thought my teacher at the
time was a racist and that she didn't like blacks. She was very stern
and strict. Later on I found out from talking with her that she had
gotten death threats because people told her she should refuse to teach
blacks. It just goes to show that perhaps one of the greatest untold
stories of the Civil Rights Movement is white people that participated
in and did things- because now a lot of the black people who
participated in the Civil Rights Movement have been recognized, but many
of the whites who gave money and support and stuff like that never got
recognized until stuff like the book that Diane McWhorter wrote. Her
book really talked a lot about the role of white people in the Civil
Rights Movement-Carry Me Home. It's a good book, it's an
excellent book, it is the best book. Diane McWhorter is her name; it is
absolutely the best book I have read on the Birmingham part of the Civil
Rights Movement. Because she was from here and her father was an
industrialist who participated in the Citizen's Council that was
responsible for maintaining segregation.
- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Was she working under ground?
- GLENNON THREATT:
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No she wasn't. She was a teenager at the time and later on she found out
about her father's role.