Role of company stores in generating employee debt
Fry describes how the Mansfield Mill exercised its power over workers outside of the factory during the Great Depression. According to Fry, workers were coerced to trade with the company store, where prices were raised, credit was extended, and debts were created. For Fry and other workers, this led to indebtedness to the company. These conditions, Fry explains, were further reason for workers to embrace the goals and politics of Franklin Roosevelt in 1933.
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Oral History Interview with Julius Fry, August 19, 1974. Interview E-0004. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- BILL FINGER:
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Did you have to buy all your food through the company stores?
- JULIUS FRY:
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Yes, not in the beginning, but in the height of the Depression, the
supervisor came around to me, and I'm sure that they did it all over the
mill, and they said, "Julius, do you trade at the company
store?" And they knew that I didn't, because they had the
records. I said, "No, I'm not trading there now, I'm buying
from such-and-such." A little local grocer. And they would say,
"Well, we think that maybe you ought to trade at the company
stores, you know, the company gives you a job and if you like your job,
and I know you do, there are not many to find, we think that you ought
to trade at the company store." And put pressure on me and you
knew that if you didn't, you would lose your job, so you would go trade
at the company store. And they would be lenient with you, they would get
you in debt. They would be lenient and give you more trade than you
earned in the mill. And then after they got you so far behind, you never
would draw any cash money.
- BILL FINGER:
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Did that happen to you?
- JULIUS FRY:
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Oh, yes, it's happened to me. But I finally said, "To hell with
this shit, I can't stand that." And I finally worked that off,
but I've see people work ten years and never draw a penny's cash. And it
became so necessary that the company owned the dairy, they would furnish
the milk and if a worker needed a doctor, they would have to get the
company store manager to vouch for them that he would pay them by taking
it out of their paycheck. And it even got so far as to where movie
tickets for a little theater downtown, a little tiny cubbyhole, you had
to go to the company store to get those, you didn't have any cash money
and they would let you have the.
- BILL FINGER:
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Were the prices a lot higher for all these things than in that little
grocery store?
- JULIUS FRY:
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Yes, they were, and it was common knowledge that one of the head clerks
at the store, in a joking way, but it was serious, he would be
overheard, and he would do it just to let them hear it, "By the
way, So-And-So left today owing some money. Go up a cent a pound on
sugar." Just do it openly, they would do it that way. And you
could go out and as the manager to let you have a $5 book, or
$1 check or a $1.50 check or a $10
book, that was coupons, you know, and he would pick up the phone and
say, "How much time does So-and-So have? How much has he
worked?" That was to see whether he had the money or not. If
you didn't have it, you didn't get it. You were completely a slave to
it.
- BILL FINGER:
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But you felt free from that too, in 1933?
- JULIUS FRY:
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Oh, free from all of that. Well, the main freedom was that somebody was
telling the company what they had to do and it was the government. And
everybody knew it and Roosevelt was coming on the air with his fireside
chats, and he really had the working people behind him.
- BILL FINGER:
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Did you all talk about that at work, that kind of thing?
- JULIUS FRY:
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Oh, yes. I don't remember many of the discussions of it, not
specifically, but it was. . . oh, everybody felt the same way. Roosevelt
had the working people.