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MM: Is that what it felt like? AT: Oh, yes, Lord. Oh yes. You take my wife right here. She’s a member of a lot of civic clubs, sororities, but I’ll never forget. We integrated—and this was another thing I saw. We didn’t have no city pools. There were white pools. They were in the white section, North Lumberton. Got to complaining about, “We want a pool.” My idea was to build us a city pool. All right, now where they going to put it? They put in a bond issue to put a pool over here in Parkview. We didn’t solve nothing with that. I said, “No, they’re fixing to build a mud hole over here.” I said, “No, we’re just going to build one. Build it centralized.” I was even fighting my wife’s club because they were following that black leader at that time. I was cussing her out too. I said, “Give them money to do that. That’s segregating again.” But that fell through. We didn’t build no pool now, and we don’t have a city pool today. I tell you. I know all this stuff. MM: Do you ever think twice about that? Do you ever say, “Well, maybe some pool’s better than no pool?” Do you ever say that to yourself? AT: Oh, no. I don’t even think about it now. When I said don’t think about it, people, blacks they’re where they can go somewhere and swim, and things, and so forth. But what I could see, hey, were going to do the same thing. Remember what I told you they did about the schools? Big high school over there, a black high school over here, and a white. They were going to put a city little old pool over here and build a fine pool up there. Now, I’m going to not build one. So we didn’t build none. It’s obvious why we didn’t build none. I know if they built it somewhere it would have been lots of people worked it, but just made some not well kept. I know that. If I don’t know it I feel it so strongly I still know that. But ( ) as long as their children have to get in it, you know I know that.