Fading memory of segregation
Brown reflects on history and racism, worrying that contemporary students cannot relate to the experience of segregation and describing that as a woman, she understands discrimination.
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Oral History Interview with Elizabeth Brown, June 17, 2005. Interview U-0019. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- KIMBERLY HILL:
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Do you discuss this topic often with your friends who teach at other
schools?
- ELIZABETH BROWN:
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No. Occasionally when it comes up like my friends that were in school at
the time that Kennedy was killed. We would talk about that and so on.
It's just sort of an ordinary, everyday thing. Integration and
segregation are just history now, and kids don't even think about unless
you bring it to them. They what's the TV series, Eye on the Prize,
they'll show that. It's too long to show the entire thing, but they'll
show parts of it especially the ones with
Birmingham. It's unbelievable to the kids when they see it. It just like
happened on Mars or something. It's just so but even some of the, when I
talk, a couple of years they put me in sociology, and when I taught,
that I was a little bit, not a little bit, quite disturbed by some of
the black kids didn't know their heroes. They sort of heard of Martin
Luther King, but they weren't too sure about it. Coretta Scott and some
of these people, and I was just horrified at it. But they already, it
was like anyone over thirty can't be trusted. You know that era, and
they just didn't know much about that, and they didn't seem to care and
just prejudice in general. I was, the last minority group, now this
group is not a minority. It's a majority, but it's still, it has all the
characteristics of a minority. Now who could it be. They, finally
someone came up with women, and this one girl who's a typical blonde
response. I can say that since I'm a blonde. She said, but women aren't
discriminated against. Everybody said, oh my gosh. But sometimes when I,
when the white kids don't quite understand, this would happen in
government more than in Spanish, don't quite understand what the problem
of the black kids are, whatever. I can say I am white and I don't think
I will ever be black. But I can tell you as a woman living in a man's
world the barriers that I have seen and the barriers that I have faced
and that women face and they don't even realize it and so on. Sometimes
that will, they can sort of see my perspective and translate it to what
the blacks feel so that even though you're asking why I went into
teaching. When I was, I knew I wanted to go to college. I had to work in
Daddy's restaurant when I was a kid, and I'd see these forty and fifty
year old waitresses, and all they knew was waitressing and the
conversation and so on, their level of conversation and so on. I knew I
was going to college some way. I was not going to be, if you didn't
go to college, you could work in the bank as a
teller or you could work as a waitress or a clerk in the grocery store.
So I was going to college, and if you went to college, you could be a
teacher. You could be a social worker. You could be a lab technician. My
older sister was that. Some of those make very good money. The lab
technicians make more than teachers. But you couldn't go into research.
You couldn't go into medicine. The obstacles were so great in medicine,
I just didn't want to even think about it. I wasn't sure I really liked
hospitals anyway. There's just nursing, and all my friends, they went
into nursing or teaching that went to college. So I sort of thought what
would be what I like the most, and what I liked the most was sports.
Again there were no sports for girls. The only thing we could play is
tennis. They allowed us to play tennis, and I got to be very good in
playing tennis. It was the only way I could express my competitive
nature in sports. So I loved sports, and I thought well, I if love
sports maybe I would like teaching it. So I majored in PE, never taught
it. Not one day did I teach PE. By the time I graduated, I still kept my
major in PE because I had so many credits in it by then, but I had gone
onto other fields